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So i doubt any other team members will be able to show up here.I didn’t know Griffin agreed if we got 2 votes this should be able to get applied.
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So i doubt any other team members will be able to show up here.I didn’t know Griffin agreed if we got 2 votes this should be able to get applied.
I don´t think Nonexistent Erasure is something simple
Oh fr? I thought popular verses need 3 staff votes. But if it’s okay it can be applied I guess.I didn’t know Griffin agreed if we got 2 votes this should be able to get applied.
This is like saying that "Nonduality is a skill like any other"This is a skill like any other
Little does he know what i'm planning
Hehehe, we're just waiting for the profile to be opened.I mean if it’s cool to add then add it I guess. If any of y’all are free you guys can do it.
Nah fr that’s what I’m. Worried about.I mean to be safe we can wait for one more. I don’t want to apply things too early.
Shouldn't that give a "possible", it only affects one guy anywaysNot really cause we aren't sure that the word concept used here is the same as the powerscaling one but if someone makes a CRT and get it accepted then it might
well in the spanish scan for wov the word concept doesn't actually need to mean in powerscaling terms so 'concept' doesn't mean anything hereShouldn't that give a "possible", it only affects one gguy anyways
I...What? Concept is an universal term, unless it is in an extremly specific context. And what would it be the interpretation, anywayswell in the spanish scan for wov the word concept doesn't actually need to mean in powerscaling terms so 'concept' doesn't mean anything here
Type 2 is if the thing lacks its own concept, not others.Shouldn't it be aspect 2?, it lacks the concepts of space and time, not just space and time
Wait, I am confusedType 2 is if the thing lacks its own concept, not others.
This is type 5Conceptual Nonexistence: These are characters for which one or multiple concepts, that are necessary for their own existence, are nonexistent. They are hence immune to regular manipulation of said concept(s). Which type of concept should be mentioned on the profile.
Other: These characters lack some other fundamental aspect that would be necessary for a normal being's existence or have a nonexistent one. Examples would include things like lacking a history. They are hence immune to abilities that target that respective aspect. Which aspect should be mentioned on the profile, together with any detail regarding what it makes them immune to.
Type 2 is for beings who lack their own concept, like if X is NEP due to lacking the concept of X.Wait, I am confused
This is type 2
This is type 5
Type 2 deals with lack of concepts, type 5 deals with other aspects that are not type 1-4 (spiritual, conceptual, mind and information)
Or am I reading it wrong?
YesType 2 is for beings who lack their own concept, like if X is NEP due to lacking the concept of X.
This is a special case tho as type 1 handles souls already, he'll be type 1 because type 1 is the aspect that deals in souls/spirits and depending on if type 1 also covers the concept of soul or just the aspects, he may get both 1 and 2 to signify both the concept and aspect.If a guy called Y is NEP and lacks the concept of soul, it doesn't mean that Y has NEP aspect 2, just aspect 1 as they don't lack their own concept.
Giratina lacks a SPIRIT, that's why it's type 1, it's literally specifiedGiratina lacks the concepts of space-time, yet it doesn't have Aspect 2, to say.
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1; Giratina embodies the concept of Nothingness/Nonexistence. Lacks a spirit)
And I was pointing out that of it doesn't just lack space and time, it lacks the very concepts of them, which is why it's type 2, if it simply lacked the aspects of space and time without the mention of the concepts then yes, it would be type 5I am proposing Type 5 off the place lacking space-time, which isn't an aspect that fits the previous 4.
To be clear, this comes from the statement in the sticker book right?This is.... literary what the WoV is? It's NEP because it lacks the concept of time and space
Aspect comes from the manga\animeTo be clear, this comes from the statement in the sticker book right?
No. Type 2 isn't just lacking concepts, but concepts that are necessary for their existence. Hence my analogy indeed works as in this case the concept of soul isn't necessary for its existence.This is a false equivalency as type 1 handles souls already, he'll be type 1 because type 1 is the aspect that deals in souls/spirits and depending on if type 1 also covers the concept of soul or just the aspects, he may get both 1 and 2 to signify both the concept and aspect, but using. If there was an aspect that dealt with space and time alone, then this analogy may work
I swore to god that I belived he had Type 5 due to the realm lacking the concepts of space and time. Outdated it seems.Giratina lacks a SPIRIT, that's why it's type 1, it's literally specified
I mean this is not something that is assumed tho is it?, it has to be specified that the concept it lacks is not necessary for it to exist especially when it does to spacetime and Dimensions/worlds as it is literally the building block of the existence of dimensionsNo. Type 2 isn't just lacking concepts, but concepts that are necessary for their existence. Hence my analogy indeed works as in this case the concept of soul isn't necessary for its existence.
If concepts of space and time aren't necessary, that means you're suggesting WoV is BDE in nature as it would be independent of itBut yes, should be Aspect 5 and none else, as it's not like space and time are necessary for the WoV.
Why do we need it to be spoonfed? It's clear it doesn't need space and time for its existence, otherwise it'd already have them without GP.I mean this is not something that is assumed tho is it?, it has to be specified that the concept it lacks is not necessary for it to exist especially when it does to spacetime and Dimensions/worlds as it is literally the building block of the existence of dimensions
Prolly? Monika has Type 1 BDE due to lacking space-time as well.If concepts of space and time aren't necessary, that means you're suggesting WoV is BDE in nature as it would be independent of it
I mean isn't that the entire point of NEP? A character lacks an aspect that would normally be essential to its existence? Spacetime is an issue because a dimension lacking it can either be NEP or BDE, but imo, unless a dimension is specified to be independent of space and time, it should simply be NPEWhy do we need it to be spoonfed? It's clear it doesn't need space and time for its existence, otherwise it'd already have them without GP.
She has both NEP and BDE, in fact, her BDE is also due to her limited NEP, and due to existing after her file completely deleted, basically rendering her independent from the cosmologyProlly? Monika has Type 1 BDE due to lacking space-time as well.
Limited Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Types 2, 3, 4 & 5) and Incorporeality (Appears as corrupted visuals and can still act and use her powers after having her Character File deleted,[1] which means that, other than getting deleted from history, it causes the erasure of the target's concept, information and plot, with files also shaping one's personality,[1] mind[2] and memories,[2] as it was done to other characters and to Monika herself.[4] However it should be noted that while her existence isn't bound to these aspects in the game, she does not start in this state, but with a physical body, as she described being deleted for the first time as painful[1]). Monika gains the following powers when she is in her Nonexistent state:
Immortality (Type 5)
Acausality (Type 4; After getting her character file deleted, she shouldn't get bound anymore from neither causality nor plot, as the files in the DDLC world are what makes reality, time, causality, script and so on, with further proof being her sending a letter to the Player after the deletion of the whole game[4])
Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; After getting her character file deleted, she should lack space-time features as the files in the DDLC world are what makes reality, time and so on)
Any you have to prove that space and time would be necessary to it, which you didn't.I mean isn't that the entire point of NEP? A character lacks an aspect that would normally be essential to its existence? Spacetime is an issue because a dimension lacking it can either be NEP or BDE, but imo, unless a dimension is specified to be independent of space and time, it should simply be NPE
I've EXACTLY thought that you'd come to this. Monika is Aspect 2 also because of Files making up one's existence, and Monika is that due to her still existing after getting her file deleted, which in-verse is Type 2 concept.She has both NEP and BDE, in fact, her BDE is also due to her limited NEP, and due to existing after her file completely deleted, basically rendering her independent from the cosmology
Occam's razor, it takes less assumptions to argue that space time is necessary for a dimension than otherwise, this NEP is the most likely stance with no further contextAny you have to prove that space and time would be necessary to it, which you didn't.
Which brings up back to, is it easier to assume that spacetime is essential to a dimension or not?I've EXACTLY thought that you'd come to this. Monika is Aspect 2 also because of Files making up one's existence, and Monika is that due to her still existing after getting her file deleted, which in-verse is Type 2 concept.
So not exactly a right equivalence, I've only mentioned her because of having both BDE and NEP.
My guy, if you can exist without something, then its concept isn't necessary for ya. If you wanna argue like this, then any void that exists outside space-time is conceptually nonexistent.Occam's razor, it takes less assumptions to argue that space time is necessary for a dimension than otherwise, this NEP is the most likely stance with no further context
If you lack something, you're already independent from it, this is why for example lacking a soul makes you independent from the concept of those.There is no proof at all that it exists independently of space time
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.unless in this wiki a dimension lacking space time is instead assumed to be BDE?
I see you are awake and the profile is open to apply the changes, so could you apply?Looks good to me.
Yes you canI can apply them, what am I explicitly adding?
So we have type 1 nonexistence erasure accepted, but what aspects did we decide?Yes you can
Type 5, from what i understand.So we have type 1 nonexistence erasure accepted, but what aspects did we decide?
HereMy guy, if you can exist without something, then its concept isn't necessary for ya. If you wanna argue like this, then any void that exists outside space-time is conceptually nonexistent.
If you lack something, you're already independent from it, this is why for example lacking a soul makes you independent from the concept of those.
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.
So yeah, it is.
My stance is the void having both NEP (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 5) and BDE (Type 1).
Type 5, from what i understand.
My guy, if you can exist without something, then its concept isn't necessary for ya. If you wanna argue like this, then any void that exists outside space-time is conceptually nonexistent.
In that case, it should probably get both , since existing without spacetime and being independent from space time are basically the same thing, but unlike other aspects, being independent of space time also gives BDE.If you lack something, you're already independent from it, this is why for example lacking a soul makes you independent from the concept of those.
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.
Another thread would be needed to add the BDE in this caseSo yeah, it is.
My stance is the void having both NEP (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 5) and BDE (Type 1).
RightZen'ō
So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...vsbattles.fandom.com
done, let me know if I made a mistake.
Congratulations, it was incredible.Zen'ō
So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...vsbattles.fandom.com
done, let me know if I made a mistake.
I don't think subspace is accepted as part of DBS cosmologyZen'ō
So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...vsbattles.fandom.com
done, let me know if I made a mistake.
Yes, both cosmology are the same.I don't think subspace is accepted as part of DBS cosmology
Also both scans for WoB and subspace aren't working for me, ate they working for you?
that's weird, they're the same link as what's in the OP and they work fine thereAlso both scans for WoB and subspace aren't working for me, ate they working for you?
Iirc it is accepted as part of it since it is what reintroduced hyperbolic time chamber back to macrocosmI don't think subspace is accepted as part of DBS cosmology
Also both scans for WoB and subspace aren't working for me, ate they working for you?