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Zelda: A Link to the Upgrades

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Universe is a stretch? Huh? Literally three feats have already been presented in the game as well as kids if other statements that support it.
 
I agree with @Kona universe is NOT a stretch hell need i remind you that we have 3 low 2-C characters and these 3 were the one that made the triforce the second strongest thing in the zelda verse (its lower than the GG) so it being universal is logical and so far it has the feats to back it up.
 
@Ashen the feats are based off statements that are just hyperbole rather than actual legitimate feats.
 
Best downgrade Cell then.

Btw, I reject the universal power shiz too. I'm interested in the SR/DW stuff that Kona posted.
 
@Cal except that we have multiple sources for Cell's solar system feat doing and saying the exact same thing. And not something that's merely a "laugh that transcends space and time"
 
No downgrading Cell, and that's final. Also, no offence, but Dragon Ball is literally the most redundant and cliche strawman/false equivalency people use to argue against a downgrade and that's getting really annoying if I have to be perfectly honest.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Ashen the feats are based off statements that are just hyperbole rather than actual legitimate feats.
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What the? So warping sacred realm into dw and warping it back to SR and restoring Lorule are all statements to you? They are the foundation of the games story, their effect is quite present in the game, their feats are stated and supporters Nd their result can be seen from the game. Those are clear feats, you've got to be blind not to see that
 
It's widely accepted around here that Triforce warped the sacred realm twice, we can the feat happening in the epilogue. The DW is supported by many statements to be a desperate world equal to the main universe the light world.

This isn't hard to comprehend, and there are more than one of those feats so no outliers here
 
Sacred Realm is legit 4-B for sure, I just get really tired of people even bringing up Dragon Ball characters on various threads. And I'm sure a lot of people do as well. That's a derailment and a redundancy.
 
@Kona the universe statements aren't legitimate statements. Nor are any of those realms ever implied to be an entire universe.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
No downgrading Cell, and that's final. Also, no offence, but Dragon Ball is literally the most redundant and cliche strawman/false equivalency people use to argue against a downgrade and that's getting really annoying if I have to be perfectly honest.
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Firstly, even Azzy admitted that we upgraded Cell to shut people up, but that's besides the point. Secondly, backed up or not, it's still a statement and therefore in the same boat as this. Thirdly, I DONT AGREE WITH THE OP. Fourthly, there's cons that come with being the most popular verse in versus debating. This is one of them. Deal with it.
 
@Cal Dragon never said anything about you agreeing with the OP, he was arguing against the strawman argument you had.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Kona the universe statements aren't legitimate statements. Nor are any of those realms ever implied to be an entire universe.
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Ah, so every verse has to prove that the universe they're living in is full sized. Glad to know that Pokemon was the size of a planet before Arceus arrived. I guess Fairy Tail's universe is the earth sun distance too?
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Kona the universe statements aren't legitimate statements. Nor are any of those realms ever implied to be an entire universe.
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Yes they are tf? The light world is it's own timeline, and the dark world was said to be another world with its own space and time, being seperate from the Light world. Just looking at the map can tell you that much. The DW is world conquered by Ganon who wanted to conquer the following light world.

The manual, the official books, and the game itself all support it being a universe
 
I'm sorry for snapping. Some things hit my pet peeves more than others. It's not the debunking that triggers me, as SD has given great reasons. It's the bad debunkings that do.
 
@Kona where was that ever stated that the light world is an entire timeline? The dark world is literally just the sacred realm corrupted by Ganon. and it's a paralled world to Hyrule if ALTTP is anything to go by.

@Cal it's alright, just try to not use strawmans again.
 
Im getting annoyed a bit oh well if we cant get 3-A give us 4-A since the triforce still have feats for that to be accepted, right now this just feels like bias cherry picking
 
@Glass. Are you saying that Zelda's universe isn't universe sized? Because that's what you're saying if you're saying the Light World isn't. That's the name they have for their universe.
 
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@Ashen ok, can you tell me where you're getting 4-A from?
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Sacred realm being a 4-B world hyrule being a 4-B world lorule being a 4-B world(since people dont want that 3-A) the triforce can interact with more than one SS across dimensions it can destroy them (has shown in ALBW) warp them and last time i checked destroying multi sol creating or affecting them (has show in ALTTP by warping the whole reality) i think it can be granted a 4-A tiering now.
 
@Cal I'm asking when was it ever stated to be it's own timeline. Cause the timeline involves everything else including the light world.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Cal I'm asking when was it ever stated to be it's own timeline. Cause the timeline involves everything else including the light world.
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What do timelines have anything to do with things?
 
@glasmam

Stop strawmanning, I said the light world is a timeline, it's in the downfall timeline, the dark world is a universe which is a counterpart to the light world
 
The dark world is universe, a darker version of light world, the one Ganon originally wanted to conquer. It has its own space and time, it is its own world as stated by many supporting siurces
 
Im confused than so what is the real reason why the triforce cant be acepted has universal and the timelines have nothing to do with.


@cal so its only range which universal...i see thanks for the clarification then those that mean universal range could possibly be added to characters that has the full triforce?
 
To answer your question, the sacred realm was transformed into the light world, but ended up getting evil cuz of hatred and stuff so he to to prepare to conquer the light world.

What he eneded up doing was making the triforce giving him an equal world from the it's resting place but making it befitting of his image.
 
Konaguna said:
Yes they are tf? The light world is it's own timeline, and the dark world was said to be another world with its own space and time, being seperate from the Light world. Just looking at the map can tell you that much. The DW is world conquered by Ganon who wanted to conquer the following light world.

The manual, the official books, and the game itself all support it being a universe
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This is what you said.
 
Theglassman12 said:
This is what you said.
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And that is supposed to be wrong? that's basic stuff. The Light world is its own timeline where Link gets killed and events follow onward from that point.
 
Furthermore you seemed to have ignored the post with all the scans I posted, or am I wrong because I did not see anyone adressing those
 
the downfall timeline is it's own timeline. The light world is just a part of said timeline cause the Dark world and Lorule exists in the same timeline.
 
Small correction, Lorule most likely doesn't as it's a separate universe. That much has been established in other threads.
 
even if it's a different universe, it's still part of the downfall timeline.

At least unless Nintendo decides to bring Lorule into the other timeline.
 
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