>"For starters it assumes that all special stages, from all games, with each Emerald, has its own space time, which results in the 100+ universes idea. However, this scan elaborates on these dimensions. It says it's "a parallel universe during special stages". Not only is parallel universe singular but it also says "stages" which is plural, implying that all the stages are in one dimension. It's also very bold to claim that all games with special stages are different dimensions because they're different games, that's head canon an there's absolutely zero evidence backing up said claim. It's just one parallel universe that houses different special stages. "
No. What would be bold is assuming that the special stage dimension from Sonic Chaos applies to literally all other special stages in the series, when numerous times that idea has been contradicted. I mentioned how Sonic Chaos had its own dimension in my post for special stages. You're needlessely elaborating on something that's already been covered.
>"Next is the Shadow The Hedgehog situation, which will be brief. Shadow The Hedgehog isn't like a regular game with different endings, it only has one true ending to the story that's actually canonical. All the alternate endings are just there for extra gameplay and unlocking the true ending which makes the existence of these pathways utterly pointless."
Firstly, provide some actual evidence for this point please, as this is major burden of proof. Furthermore, to say the existence of the pathways are "utterly pointless," is a very odd statement considering how the developers included them regardless. Just because there's a single favorable ending doesn't mean there aren't
numerous routes and histories that all get to the ending or
numerous routes and histories at all.
>"lastly is Sonic CD and it's supposed 28 timelines and many worlds theory. The many worlds theory is never even expanded upon and is headcanon. It's never stated that new worlds are made when different events happen or even when someone time travels."
Zamasu. I, the creator of that post, have re-affirmed numerous times that the many worlds theory is inapplicable due to its inconsistency. I said that in the post and in the
thread where we were going back over the scaling. Hell, it's not even headcanon, it's a literal interpretation of what that is. If someone describes a ball of gas in outerspace that's super hot, it's not wrong to say it's a star.
>"Although Sonic is stated to warp to new dimensions, it's directly contradicted by the fact that the past that Sonic travels to only has an effect on his universe. The 28 universes also makes no sense for two reasons. There are only two futures, not more than one past and not more than one present. That means there would be only two timelines at best. One that results in the good future and one that results in the bad future."
How would that contradict them being new dimensions? Also, the idea that "There are only two futures, not more than one past and not more than one present," is contradicted directly by the warp to new dimensions statement, so you can't argue for it. There are numerous confirmed dimensions here.
>"To starts this off it only states Solaris shattered timelines. It specifically said timelines and it never mentions it was all of them. It wouldn't make sense to be all of them anyway because Sonic's timeline is still intact and everyone is still alive. This automatically disproves Solaris can destroy the entire multiverse in one shot."
No it doesn't, you're just insane! Literally nobody argues that Solaris waking up corrupted the entire multiverse, it's Eggman's later statement that since he IS awake NOW, he's going to destroy the entire multiverse. This is a false equivalence, irrelevant, and a hasty generalization, which are all fallacious. This is the worst point you've made yet.
>"Solaris shattered timelines in an unknown timeframe. There was a cutaway right after he transformed and cutaways can have really arbitrary timing. Even after Solaris exposition and collecting Chaos Emeralds that were scattered across time and space, Sonic's universe wasn't destroyed. This only implies that Solaris was destroying them a few at a time."
Again, Solaris merely awaking is not the same as Solaris taking action while he's awake. Plus, the cutaway was the characters being sent to the rift in a few seconds. To assume that because there's a loading screen between cutscenes means that there's a huge jump in time is totally non-sensical and headcanon. Furthermore, this wouldn't contradict his full power in any way as him waking up is STILL different from him doing stuff while he's awake.
>"Theres another thing I wanted to bring up and it's the assumption that Solaris is more powerful than the Egg Wizard. Eggman had a scanner that measured the Emeralds and the PoTS which is measurable evidence that Eggman's statement is legit. Even Sonic himself said he stands no chance by himself against the Egg Wizard but says no such thing against Solaris with even Shadow claiming that this might be a fair fight. It's pretty blatant that The PoTS > the Emeralds. Just because Sonic and Blaze beat it doesn't automatically make them stronger than the PoTS, that's the most simple minded way of thinking. Sonic and Blaze had to strategize, use its own attacks against it, could've gotten obliterated by the Egg Wizard's final attack, and only truly defeated it after it was distracted and his guard was down. It doesn't even make sense to Scale Sonic to the Egg Wizard because three Supers can't naturally harm Solaris Phase 2."
Solaris is more powerful than the Egg Wizard. The PoTS is only 2 dimensions, Solaris is into the hundreds. However you're making some pretty big assumptions here.
Even though narratively Super Sonic wouldn't have beaten Egg Wizard on his own, the mere fact that he can still harm him in combat doesn't degrade his tier. If you look at the power scaling page, it says that
even if 2 characters are required to perform a feat, we don't divide the joules required by 2. Plus you can't use multipliers or anti-multipliers in higher-dimensional feats because they don't function by 3-Dimesional numbers.
They aren't automatically stronger, they directly scale. Plus, saying they "could've gotten obliterated" is absolutely not true as the characters have
invulnerability. Sonic did the finishing punch while the Eggmen were distracted, and just because they were off guard doesn't mean the machine would become weaker. While we often become weaker off guard, machines
don't because they're machines. Also, saying Super Sonic can't scale to a 2 dimensions feat because he can't harm a 500+ dimensions character is a false equivalence and is absolutely false and contradictory.
>"Yes but it was implied to hold back because Nega mentions using a fraction of its power. It also stated to show some of its true power with the planet busting laser. Sonic and Blaze couldn't even stop the PBL and they needed the Egg Wizard to be distracted."
A fraction of 2-C is still 2-C because you can't use anti-multipliers in higher-dimensional scaling. Also, the "true power with the planet busting laser" is just an error of inconsistent writing.
>"Inb4 you say holding back doesn't lower the durability, then how do you explain the Egg Wizard being harmed by its own suppressed attacks? Is the Egg Wizard even equally as durable? This disproves Sonic being stronger than the PoTS."
Because suppressed 2-C is STILL 2-C. The Egg Wizard is of course as durable or it'd die from attacking. No, this doesn't disprove anything.
>"A paradox isn't a feat. This same scenario happened in Sonic Boom where Lord Eggman was in Sonic's universe and it was being destroyed because of his existence."
The Power of the Stars were
LITERALLY SAID to be capable of merging, destroying or creating 2 dimensions.
>"We only knew there was a tear in Sonic's universe and it was getting bigger over the course of the entire game and we had no clue what was happening with Blaze's dimension. The universes had to restore themselves (13:20) with the restoration pulling Sonic and Blaze against their will. This raises two questions. If the universes could restore themselves so easily wouldn't that mean the tear wasn't that big to begin with? Secondly, why couldn't Sonic or Blaze stop the destruction? Simply put, Supers don't have 2-C range especially when Sonic doesn't have Reality Warping anymore"
Again, you're using writing inconsistencies as an actual basis of an argument.
>"Even then we don't count shared 2-C feats as 2-C feats for each individual character."
YES, we do.
>"Solaris already shattered timelines my guy, not destroying the universe in time is what you call an anti feat or a timeframe, he can't destroy them all at once."
Again, waking up is different from taking action while awake. This isn't an anti-feat by any means and he's still capable of destroying the cosmology.
Conclusion
Stop using fallacies to argue your points. Everything here is based off of writing errors, lies or false equivalences. Nothing here contradicts any of the cosmological points or the scaling and this is a hell of a poor excuse to downgrade anything or anyone.
