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Yujiro Hanma vs Hyde

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I think Yujiro takes this with mid-high difficulty.

  • Yujiro is 8.04 kilotons with Demon Back and Hyde is 5.99.
  • Yujiro is much more skilled
  • Yujiro has a large intelligence advantage
  • Yujiro is physically stronger and has much more stamina
  • Hyde has multiple attacks that leave him wide open for damage
  • As long as Yujiro isn't touched by Insulator while EXS of Darkness "Red Void", is active, he won't get erased
  • Yujiro can use Info Analysis and Enhanced Sixth to learn any physical weaknesses Hyde might have and that Insulator isn't a natural blade
  • Yujiro can predict what Hyde might do with Analytical Prediction
  • Yujiro can reduce any damage that isn't erasure enhanced with benda or xiao lee (if he wants to), and even redirect the damage back with the latter
  • Yujiro can use his aura to create earthquake like sensations that can mess with Hyde's reflexes and balance
 
Just noting that Hyde's projectiles also have the Existence Erasure effect as they all still utilize the power of Insulator and the AP gap is extremely small so Hanma won't be incaping Hyde anytime soon. Hyde has also fought opponents more skilled than him before (debatable more skilled than Yujiro), so Yujiro is not going to be too overskilled for him. It really only takes one good hit from Hyde to really put Yujiro down, I see Hyde taking this moreso than not do to not only physical strikes, but projectiles utilizing the power of Insulator.
 
Anyway

Contrary to what Antron thinks the gap in AP is much higher.

Baki, with an incomplete Demon Back, amped himself from 22 Tons, to 2.6 Kilotons

Yujiro is 2.6 Kilotons in base, and has a complete Demon Back

Secondly, Yujiro has incredible skill when it comes to disarming people, see his fight against Musashi Miyamoto (Baki)

While Hyde did fight Waldstein, Wald is nowhere near as Agile as Hyde and Especially Yujiro, and I wonder if Waldstein is comparable to Yujiro in skill considering that even his intelligence stated he's Absent Minded.
 
His intelligence is very outdated. Howver, Waldstein has spent hundreds of years training and in combat, fighting in multiple wars and multiple different Voids and In-Births. He also could match Kuon who is a member of Night Blade, a group of warriors who spend their entire lives mastery their skills. He also can match Enkidu is skill who just like Night Blade member, spends his entire life training and matering his craft. Hyde has also fought even more agile foes, including the teleporting and blade spamming Hilda, Yuzuriha who once again, trains constantly and is on par with Night Blade warriors in skill, Linne who is also a Night Blade member who has been mastering her crafts for centuries, etc.

Also, he may have skill in disarming people, but Hyde has many projectiles and a red explosion that all can rend one's existence apart. And there is also his Infinite Worth EXS. Not to mention Hyde's body will move on its own as well thanks to Insulator.
 
Then how did Hyde beat him?

Hyde has projectiles yes, that's an advantage at range, but it's not going to matter up close unless he tries to back away, also analysis helps a lot against projectiles as it's borderline Precog.

Yujiro's blade disarming also involves having Hyde attempt to strike first, unless his instinctive reaction mitigated this by having him back out of a maneuver he has already pulled, that can help get around it

BTW, math real quick, what's the difference between 22 Tons and 2.6 Kilotons?
 
^ I wouldn't count that since that's an in verse thing

It is also more impressive to say "This dude was able to use thought based projectiles has far more expirience e and mastered literally every form of sword mastery. On top of being physically stronger then Hyde"
 
"Then how did Hyde beat him?"

He matched him in skill. I mean, there is no special stipulation to beating Waldstein. I don't know what you're expecting. Hyde has Accelerated Development for a reason.

"Hyde has projectiles yes, that's an advantage at range, but it's not going to matter up close unless he tries to back away, also analysis helps a lot against projectiles as it's borderline Precog."

Up close he has his basic Infinite Worth with is literally just a a giant explosion that uses Insulator's power. This move is explicitly close range.

"Yujiro's blade disarming also involves having Hyde attempt to strike first, unless his instinctive reaction mitigated this by having him back out of a maneuver he has already pulled, that can help get around it"

We aren't taking range into account. It isn't like they are currently up close with each other. If anything Hyde is not going to just go for up close fighting against a foe like Yujiro who while not as large, is extremely similar to Waldstein in terms of basic builds. Hyde is not an idiot. Not to mention Lotus can be a delayed explosion, so if Yujiro dodges the slash wave, Hyde can simply make it explode.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Just noting that Hyde's projectiles also have the Existence Erasure effect as they all still utilize the power of Insulator and the AP gap is extremely small so Hanma won't be incaping Hyde anytime soon. Hyde has also fought opponents more skilled than him
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Because you said this, yet you say he matched him in skill.

Infinite Worth can be predicted but that's fair.

Yujiro is highly adept in sneaking around as shown by his fights in Vietnam, if Hyde wants to play range, Yujiro will get close and make it close.
 
Yes, as he developed enough to match him. Wald was more skilled than him. You are also forgetting that he has fought Wald more than once. He trains with Wald on a daily basis and can keep pace with him. Only for him to fight him later on on the Hollow Night and match him. Also let's note that after fighting Wald, on the same night he fights Linne and Hilda, and wins both.
 
Then Hyde adapted to him, could have lead with that.

Again though back to my AP question, what's the difference between 22 Tons and 2.6 Kilotons?
 
The issue with this fight is that we have to assume nothing Hhyde does hits Yujiro even by a slight degree. Yujiro can be adapted to, but I will not argue Hyde can beat him at close range without the infinite worth. Dark Lotus is also a good option. Not to mention the IWEXS being a massive attack that would be hard to avoid. I will vote incon. If Hyde gets even the smallest hit in, Yujiro's existence would be damaged which would give Hyde more options. And if Yujiro gets close, the IW can help defend against it. However, the moment this fails, Yujiro would take the win. However, if Hyde can utilize his skills, he should win on that front.

Basically, if Hyde can react well enough and get a hit in, he can take it.

If not and Yujiro gets the close range fight he wants, he takes it.

Under Night characters are a pain to debate with.
 
Schnee One said:
Then Hyde adapted to him, could have lead with that.

Again though back to my AP question, what's the difference between 22 Tons and 2.6 Kilotons?
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..........I just did that math on this.

And this is a 118x multiplier with Demon Back

IDK if that was considered in a CRT or not.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Hyde has also fought opponents more skilled than him before (debatable more skilled than Yujiro), so Yujiro is not going to be too overskilled for him.
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I won't comment on this particular battle: I simply want to respond to this line of arguments because it is often used (or variants of this arguments is used like "this protag constantly fight people with higher AP than himself therefore...").

The only way to not be overskilled by someone is by having similar or higher level of skill. Being "more skilled" is not a fighting style or a technique so you can't "get used" in the sense of being able to mitigate the gap.

Moreover this line of argument is self contradicting since it also can be used in favor of the opponent and here's how it's done:

"" Yujiro constantly fought opponents who are less skilled than him therefore he should gain an additional advantage against Hyde. Actually, he fought with more "less skilled people" than Hyde has fought with "skilled people"! Even worse, Yujiro actually fought with "people who are used to fight opponents more skilled than themselves" namely Baki, his son. Has Hyde ever fought someone who is used to fight people "who are used to fight opponents more skilled than themselves"? ""

So the argument falls apart pretty quickly under its weight.
 
Hyde via Instinctive Reaction so Yujiro is gonna have a hard time hitting him, Accelerated Development so the skill gap gradually gets closed as the fight goes on, range via projectiles, and EE with every single strike.
 
Schnee One said:
Then how did Hyde beat him?

Hyde has projectiles yes, that's an advantage at range, but it's not going to matter up close unless he tries to back away, also analysis helps a lot against projectiles as it's borderline Precog.

Yujiro's blade disarming also involves having Hyde attempt to strike first, unless his instinctive reaction mitigated this by having him back out of a maneuver he has already pulled, that can help get around it

BTW, math real quick, what's the difference between 22 Tons and 2.6 Kilotons?
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~100 multiplier

22 tons x 100= 2.2 kilotons

Saw this and thought it might help as well
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Hyde via Instinctive Reaction so Yujiro is gonna have a hard time hitting him, Accelerated Development so the skill gap gradually gets closed as the fight goes on, range via projectiles, and EE with every single strike.
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Gonna just restate this.
 
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