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Naruto.
Even if we assume Yuji can one shot every single clone, video game nard can make 2000 clones on the spot and bumrush Yuji.
and No Yuji isnt powering through 2000 people who are comparable to him jumping him at once. and no his chakra gets split up, not the physical power of the clones, and it doesnt even matter because video game naruto's shadow clones can harm people as durable as himself.
also saying yuji gonna go through all of them implies each shadow clone is gonna take a turn fighting him, no just no, Yuji does not have the limbs or AOE to account for 50 clones let alone 2000.
they can dish out the same amount of damage but their durability isnt split up, they weaker than the original but not by the amount they split up byAre you saying they can dish out blows comparable to the original or their durability is comparable to the original.
see aboveAre the durability of the clones comparable to the original?
until he runs out of chakraHow long can Naruto keep up these clones?
Yeah. I know it’s not split up mathematically like that.they can dish out the same amount of damage but their durability isnt split up, they weaker than the original but not by the amount they split up by
until he runs out of chakra
yes. the only thing that changes is the chakra amount. shadow clones have inherent lower dura in the sense that instead of tumbling over or being knocked out with severe damage they go poof but they not literally squishy. so i suppose the correct term would be that shadow clones have inferior enduranceYeah. I know it’s not split up mathematically like that.
So even if the durability is not mathematically split by the amount they split up by, are you still saying a 2 man shadow clone has the same level of durability as a 2000 man shadow clone?
Skill isnt saving you from getting ganked by 2 thousand people at once. I hate to tell you this but Mike Tyson in his prime and Bruce Lee together will lose to a 100 average people jumping them all at once.Yuji has the skill
Naruto has better Endurance, endurance
Based on?, stamina
Naruto has superior environmental mobility and feats, being able to move across any surface, sling shot himself in any direction, literally do BS Ninja kung fu while mid air ectand environmental IQ
Yuji is dying before that, Naruto isnt limited to just using shadow clones to beat you up (which he will), he can have shadow clones bombard you omni directional kunaito last up until Naruto’s stamina runs out.
Huh?Which isn’t very long.
yes. the only thing that changes is the chakra amount. shadow clones have inherent lower dura in the sense that instead of tumbling over or being knocked out with severe damage they go poof but they not literally squishy. so i suppose the correct term would be that shadow clones have inferior endurance
?Huh?
Skill isnt saving you from getting ganked by 2 thousand people at once. I hate to tell you this but Mike Tyson in his prime and Bruce Lee together will lose to a 100 average people jumping them all at once.
Naruto is not only comparable in power, but theres nothing that indicates Yuji is vastly more skilled than him given naruto's bag covers a broader arsenal and dukes it out with ton equally skilled people
Naruto has better Endurance
Based on?
no they have inferior chakra which isnt going to be exerted by punching and kicking and specifically not at a single target where each individual clone is going exert themselves far less than in a 1 v1Keep in mind also have vastly inferior stamina
Naruto does not care about conserving chakra, he actively wastes chakra and can get away with it because of his huge reserves, its within Naruto's character to actively bombard a single person with shittillions of clonesconsidering the chakra is stretched thin across 2000 men and you claimed they wouldn’t even conserve said chakra and fight the same way one man would fight.
speed is equalized here and they have comparable superhuman speedwhich he will use to get out of getting ganged omnidirectionally very easily.
your underestimating how much 2000 clones are, also if Yuji corners himself, theres nothing stopping naruto from bombarding him with ranged projectiles and paper bomb kunai's or sling shotting his clones as projectiles from a distance, or better yet placing his clones all across the battlefield and disguising them for sneak attacks.Then he will constantly go into closed tight spaces to keep numbers low for each clone.
The Gap is too small to make a notable difference, also Naruto can counter Divergent fist with his rasengan.Yuji has the AP advantage
He can keep them up for pretty long, long enough to overwhelm Yuji, and even then he can dispel them and summon them again if need be.Yuji does not have to take all 2000 down if Naruto can’t keep them up for long.
he will its his go to move.If Naruto doesn’t use 2000 shadow clones for some reason.
whats stopping Naruto from summoning Gamabunta or Naruto just straight up evading most of Yuji's lethal blows with substitution and countering with Rasengan ?Yuji has an easier time dealing with him with his slight AP advantage + Divergent fist and Black Flash and so on.
Yuji vs Naruto is Yuji vs 2000 Naruto'sSo should we proceed with debating Yuji vs Naruto? Or we still on this Yuji vs 2000 shadow clones shit?
Yuji vs Naruto is Yuji vs 2000 Naruto's
in SBA we assume the characters are IN character unless your referring to a hypothetical scenario where Naruto uses a Unquantifiable less amount of clones than 2000, because there really isnt a scenario here where its 1 V 1 with no clones at allI am aware but which scenario should we talk about first? Yuji vs Naruto who chooses not to go with 2000 clones or Yuji vs Naruto who does go with 2000 clones.
Trust me, there's no key in which he doesn't use a fucktillion clones. Outside of Boruto, anyway....in this key
no they have inferior chakra which isnt going to be exerted by punching and kicking and specifically not at a single target where each individual clone is going exert themselves far less than in a 1 v1
Naruto does not care about conserving chakra, he actively wastes chakra and can get away with it because of his huge reserves, its within Naruto's character to actively bombard a single person with shittillions of clones
speed is equalized here and they have comparable superhuman speed
your underestimating how much 2000 clones are, also if Yuji corners himself, theres nothing stopping naruto from bombarding him with ranged projectiles and paper bomb kunai's or sling shotting his clones as projectiles from a distance, or better yet placing his clones all across the battlefield and disguising them for sneak attacks.
also im not sure if you understand this but the shadow clones dont pop up behind Naruto but around him, the shadow clones will already be around Yuji by that point, and if he wants he can dispel them and then spawn them at any point around Yuji afterwards. also Naruto has no problem using his shadow clones as canon fodder if you think that tight places means naruto wont bumrush him with a shit ton of clones. which will end up bad for yuji.
The Gap is too small to make a notable difference, also Naruto can counter Divergent fist with his rasengan.
He can keep them up for pretty long, long enough to overwhelm Yuji, and even then he can dispel them and summon them again if need be.
whats stopping Naruto from summoning Gamabunta or Naruto just straight up evading most of Yuji's lethal blows with substitution and countering with Rasengan ?
Yeah that's the only 8-A calc that's accepted iirc. Most the other ones have been recalced to be 8-B or lower.i think yuji is at an AP disadvantage here
his page is kinda old but JJK got calcs redone so i think he's just nebulously above 115.8 tons based on being ~= nanami who is >~ goodwill yuji who is ~ hanami who did the feat
if i'm wrong feel free to correct me
This needs to be clarified. Chakra isn't needed to maintain the clones. Once the clones are made, they're self sustaining till they're defeated or the caster undoes the jutsuNot in this key that’s for sure. If you look at how long he had them active before he said his chakra was out. You’d realize it’s not as long as you think.
Unless our definitions of long are different, Naruto can’t keep 2000 up for 5 - 10 min if we’re being honest.
This needs to be clarified. Chakra isn't needed to maintain the clones. Once the clones are made, they're self sustaining till they're defeated or the caster undoes the jutsu
Who told you thisThis needs to be clarified. Chakra isn't needed to maintain the clones.
This ain't true either. Shukaku destroyed all the clonesOkay so then Naruto quickly ran out of chakra against Garaa which shows how much chakra the clone used to fight. Since we know Naruto doesn’t conserve chakra, it makes thinning out his chakra over 2000 clones lead to easy drainage.
This ain't true either. Shukaku destroyed all the clones
You are tripping, because Gaara destroyed all his clones, then he summoned the ****** toad, which drained his chakraI’m going off of the fact that Naruto says he ran out of chakra even after this happened. Or am I tripping?
Post-Shibuya Yuji's dura will scale above Mahito's ground slam feat (58.4 Tons)i think yuji is at an AP disadvantage here
his page is kinda old but JJK got calcs redone so i think he's just nebulously above 115.8 tons based on being ~= nanami who is >~ goodwill yuji who is ~ hanami who did the feat
if i'm wrong feel free to correct me
Again I’m aware they were destroyed but you are wrong about the last part. Naruto states the clones drained his chakra.You are tripping, because Gaara destroyed all his clones, then he summoned the ****** toad, which drained his chakra
Because they split his chakra a thousand ways, and he still had enough chakra to summon Gamabunta, which takes chakra even above his previous max capacity, so that isn't even anything importantAgain I’m aware they were destroyed but you are wrong about the last part. Naruto states the clones drained his chakra.
It's crazy that he managed this, given that summoning Bunta is a massive undertaking for even the likes of Jiraiya. Doing this while low on chakra is nuts. Naruto's stamina is stupid. And that's ignoring Kurama's even more massive pool like you said. Dude's not getting outlasted here lmaoBecause they split his chakra a thousand ways, and he still had enough chakra to summon Gamabunta, which takes chakra even above his previous max capacity, so that isn't even anything important
On top of that, this Naruto can willingly use the nine tail's chakra whenever he feels like it. So that's a moot point
this is also shortly after fighting NejiIt's crazy that he managed this, given that summoning Bunta is a massive undertaking for even the likes of Jiraiya. Doing this while low on chakra is nuts. Naruto's stamina is stupid. And that's ignoring Kurama's even more massive pool like you said. Dude's not getting outlasted here lmao
thats from the manga, not the UN versionAgain I’m aware they were destroyed but you are wrong about the last part. Naruto states the clones drained his chakra.
not really and Ultimate Ninja Naruto can perform the same feats physically while having very little chakraConsidering everything superhuman is done with chakra
they dont passively use chakra just to kick and punch, they have to actively enhance their fist with chakra , which is indicated with the blue aura that surrounds it.then I find it hard to believe that their AP would be conparable. After all, the same level of chakra the original uses to fight at a certain AP is needed by the clones for your claim to hold true.
no idea who told you thisEither way the fact remains, Naruto’s chakra rapidly depletes when he uses 2000 clones
Naruto is comparableRemember Yuji has insane endurance and pain tolerance to the point he can stabbed many times, cut many times, slashed many times yet still keeps going. (And please don’t respond with “Naruto is better or comparable” because his ass is constantly getting cursed and weakened by the effects of cursed energy affecting him over the course of their fight).
Naruto can do the same with his durability tags and can do the reverse to Yuji, can reduce his stats with the weakening tag.Yuji can also reduce the damage on himself by concentrating CE on certain spots.
I said they had Unquantifiably weaker durability which i emended right afterwards by saying that it wasn't accurate for me to say it was durability but that it was closer to endurance.You said clones are unquantifiably weaker remember?
Naruto's AP doesnt drop when he makes shadow clonesThis is what I meant when I said using points for one Naruto could easily neg arguments for multiple Narutos. Obviously the AP advantage is slight but it’s more apparent when Naruto uses shadow clones.
i believe this was already addressedNot in this key that’s for sure. If you look at how long he had them active before he said his chakra was out. You’d realize it’s not as long as you think.
Huh?Unless our definitions of long are different, Naruto can’t keep 2000 up for 5 - 10 min if we’re being honest.
UJ Naruto can summon Gamabunta at any point, at least this verison.Summoning Gamabunta in this key? Well I mean how strong is gamabunta.
being able to anticipate only goes so far, its not like the substitutions happen before they strike, it happens during, thats also ignoring that that subsitutions dont spawn people at the exact same location or binary ones eitherI’m glad you used the word “most” and not “all” even though I think it’s “some” because Yuji is definitely going to start anticipating and landing hits.
they not really comparable, Todo is closer to something like Sasuke's Ameno.More so with his experience fighting alongside Todo cuz despite Todo switching Yuji and his enemies many many times
no its not, anticipating two binary points which are signaled by Todo's clapping is very different from someone vanishing and turning into a log and appearing in entirely different place if they choose, Yuji still always fights without any form of spatial disorientation by anticipating how Todo will switch him and his enemies without them even directly communicating. That level of skill and experience is extremely useful against substitution jutsus.
not from a stronger naruto with several options of amping himself ontop of just swarming him, thats ignoring stuff like gamabunta who can one shot him and Rasengan which can BFR by knocking him into the sky thousand miles awaySo Yuji’s massive endurance and pain tolerance would let him last the beatings
Yeah Yuji is only gonna be 8-B~, and his main advantage was a.p before.Since Yuji's being revised his A.P scaling isn't clear so maybe this should be closed.
Since Yuji's being revised his A.P scaling isn't clear so maybe this should be closed.
I’m surprised I missed this matchup. Anyways voting for Naruto for Shadow’s reasons if the matchup isn’t necro that is