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So you think Curses asides from.Mahito has souls? Can I get the scans
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Yuji Fights A Ninja
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That doesn't address my point at all. Actually that scan helps since Black Flash doesn't dura neg and he says it did serious damage.Ignored
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Send scans that say they don't
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Yes but not dura-neg.So you accept Yuji can damage the soul thanks
Concession accepte-Sure buddy hitting a soul and damaging is not durability negation
Jokes aside, yes that is true. The damage Yuji does to bodies and souls is literally the same all the time.
He was getting cooked. Literally entirely carried by his technique.
He sacrificed his one arm in exchange for surviving DE, didn't he? He also had to rely on tricks to avoid the other Idle Transfiguration. He only gets to facetank one single Idle, can you prove it's that superior to Yuji's?
Hitting and damaging Shikigami need CE.
He hit Junpei in same fight.
Unless you believe he's turning off CE to avoid hurting Junpei (idk vro source?), he is most probably using CE.
Yeah it does. Concession accepte-
Why do I have to prove that somebody doesn't have an ability? Toji is said to have it due to his (full) Heavenly Restriction, what makes you think people who are basically non-sorcerers do?
Explain why Mahito would be an exception. About Rika's consciousness shit, aren't souls and consciousnesses... the same thing in Jujutsu Kaisen? The grandma says that not summoning the soul information doesn't bring that person's consciousness. When Toji hijacks the grandson's consciousness, he says he overpowered his soul.
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You are just Contradicting then
Why would Todos black flash wouldn't do damage only Yujis does? And you said Grasshopper Curse was taking hits. You think it has soul despite its one of the natural Spirits. So I need scan where it was stated all things in JJk has soul.
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You made an argument that Grasshopper Curse didn't got affected so you are inserting it has a soul. Burden is on youSend scans that say they don't
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"Under normal circumstances, most characters are assumed to have a soul by default unless the original medium specifies otherwise. Those who do not possess soul are usually considered to be immune to most applications of Soul Manipulation."
yeah
Note that "Yuji's punches didn't dura neg it" is a circular argument.
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When did I said Yuji has durability negation quote it.
Getting hit by zero damage = cooked?
Where it was stated as Binding Vow?
What it has anything to do with the arguments
Mahito's superior soul manipulation is evident in his diverse abilities, such as transformation and transmutation. While Yuji may damage souls, Mahito goes beyond by altering their form and nature. This versatility implies a deeper understanding and control over the intricacies of soul manipulation, showcasing Mahito's more advanced and nuanced abilities compared to Yuji's straightforward approach.
The argument involve a false dilemma fallacy, assuming that there are only two possible explanations for the observed behavior: either the individual is using CE or intentionally turning it off to avoid hurting Junpei. This oversimplification ignores other potential explanations or factors that could contribute to the observed actions.
The burden of proof is improperly placed on those questioning or doubting a claim rather than on those making the assertion.
Toji is human
Also your argument involves equivocation fallacy. While series might use "soul" and "consciousness" interchangeably in certain contexts, it's important to recognize that the terms could have distinct meanings in the series. Assuming they are entirely synonymous without considering potential nuances or variations in usage could lead to a fallacious interpretation of the narrative.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Doesn't say anything about soul. Mark the word and resend the scan.
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I already gave my examples and you ignored it.
You are committing a straw man fallacy by misrepresenting my argument. Never once claimed anything about dura neg
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Yeah seems legit.
Then you concede that Yuji cannot dura neg Naruto here? We good on that?
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- Where it was stated Spirit = Soul ?
- The fallacy being committed here is an equivocation fallacy. This occurs when a term is used in different senses within an argument, leading to a misleading conclusion. In this case, the person is equating "spirit" with "soul" based solely on their similar names without considering potential differences in meaning within the context of the fictional work.
Again this is a straw man. You are misrepresenting my argument by asserting that I claimed Yuji can dura neg Naruto, which I did not.
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No examples given. Just "oh Rika is uh said to uh consciousness uh gojo doesn't say soul uh"
I don't approve of you using ChatGPT to generate your answers, by the way.
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It is simply a different translation. I will check the chapter elsewhere and come back to you.
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If your position is that Yuji's soul manipulation can't actually negate durability, then this entire discussion is pointless btw
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I also realized you didn't address the presence of Mahito's representation of the soul on the panel. I take that as you having no response?
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Rika passed away her will remained.
Sure send the raws
Where did I claimed Yuji has durability negation?
That's his soul which he even states and shown 2 times during vs Mahito arc. Not Hanami's
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The Rika Yuta uses in Five Minute Man mode is a Shikigami tho? It's a replica essentially.
My brother in JJK it called Cursed Energy "cheat engine" + it didn't even address anything I said. An AI has no knowledge of the general context of the argument, rewrite in your own words.
You do realize soul-manip dura neg is the same thing as dura neg, right?
That is just the soul in general. You are just making stuff up atp. When he's explaining souls to Junpei that visual shows.
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It says her will. Not replica. We Rikas Soul left Yuta which we see in JJK0 this is just curse which remaining currently.
I didn't used that to argument. I just copy pasted the fallacy. You can literally see my arguments. Mixing in that later.
What are you trying to say.
Where it was stated it was general?
Especially Mahito when talks about humans he shows that Rectangular type of shit but when he was talking about hanami.its just show blank below which is just negative emotions.
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"The fallacy being committed here is an equivocation fallacy. This occurs when a term is used in different senses within an argument, leading to a misleading conclusion. In this case, the person is equating
You literally did bro. The AI says "without considering blah blah blah context" but doesn't explain the context. It just says "I haven't read the series so like idk you might be wrong based on the context." Rewrite in your own words.
That you don't even know what u r arguing for. You said that his soul punches bypass conventional durability. That is literally just the definition of dura neg.
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Also he speaks about curses in both the rectangle and the aura shit.
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Sure buddy hitting a soul and damaging is not durability negation
Yeah.
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Anyway, Eldemade has derailed enough. I am voting Yuji. He seems to be a better H2H fighter and he has experience fighting hordes of relatively lower durability enemies, those being Naruto's shadow clones.
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ChatGpt
Also you changed to Spirit = will and Soul = Consciousness,
Despite claiming Spirit = Soul?
You are Contradicting at this point.Show where I did anything about scans or other things Only fallacy are posted not other things.
I never said Soul punches
I said Yuji punches harms soul. Read my first comment in the thread. Idc if it's dura neg or not but never made any claims for that. I was explaining the mechanism.
Manga is primary canon never stated or mentioned anything
Did I say anything about it being durability negation in those statements? Again Strawmaning
Bruh you and other guy literally started with strawmaning calling me derailing is just wrong.
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Yes that's the jokeChatGpt
Also you changed to Spirit = will and Soul = Consciousness,
Explain in your own words how I contradicted myself. I said "spirit" (a synonym for soul) being next to the representation for the soul is enough proof.Despite claiming Spirit = Soul?
Ok then, so that's just plain irrelevant. Good to know.
Anime is secondary canon. Care to show how this contradicts anything? I could try to see if this is in the manga, too.
This is just obvious sarcasm. It's clear that you thought it was dura neg but backtracked later. It's not strawmanning if it's true.Sure buddy hitting a soul and damaging is not durability negation
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So spirit =Will= Soul = Consciousness?
Despite Rika passed away her will remains so her soul passed away her soul remains that's what you are trying to say?
What part you don't understand the meaning of IDC if it's dura neg or not?
Anime is tertiary canon and we don't use that not secondary. Secondary is databook and other things. Go check the canon explanation page
Agan you are Contradicting. You literally pinged my reply above where I said I don't care if its dura neg or not means I don't care about that. Not that I'm arguing with it. It is indeed strawmaning. You are forcefully trying to imply I claimed it while my replies indicates IDC.
Anyway Put my Vote for Yuji.
Yuji punches harms soul along with Physical damage which would weaken Naruto and Yuji ond Black flash should end the fight as Nardo has no Resistance to spatial manipulation.
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That's Humans Souls
context is important Mahito previous panel was talking about humans heart and not once he mentioned anything about curses there.
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This surely means idc right?Sure buddy hitting a soul and damaging is not durability negation
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Shifting the goalposts is interesting. What happened toThat's Humans Souls
smh. So according to you,
1. Mahito has a soul
2. Mahito is also the only cursed spirit with a soul
3. No other spirits has a soul and Mahito does not consider curses to be living beings (so based)
4. My source is something or another
When did I say will = consciousness? Will can refer to quite a lot of things, ur GOAT ChatGPT says this smh...
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Yeah that's IDC.
If I cared enough i would have mentioned straightforward. Idk where you got the idea of me using dura neg here. Even my comments states his punches damages souls not that he has dura neg.
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That means effectively the same thing.
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Emotions in general come from the soul, and life flows through everything the same. If this doesn't convince Eldemade that curses have souls idk what will, but this is irrelevant to the post at hand anyway since he was just mentioning soul manipulation for a little quirkiness :3 :3. Current votes are 2 for Yuji btw.
Emotions in general come from the soul, and life flows through everything the same. If this doesn't convince Eldemade that curses have souls idk what will, but this is irrelevant to the post at hand anyway since he was just mentioning soul manipulation for a little quirkiness :3 :3. Current votes are 2 for Yuji btw.
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What Goalpost you sent Mahito explaining Humans heart and trying to claim it's for Cursed spirits
Again this straw man
Another strawmaning. Where I claimed that. I said only curse is shown to be having soul is Mahito and we don't have information on other cursed spirit where Mahito mentioned his existence based on soul other spirit based on consciousness. While he refers humans as souls too
Which already differentiates enough.
You literally used the same thing so stop projecting.
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Since you have no response, I presume that you agree that the undisputed unrefuted GOAT ChatGPT says this?
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It's not. Yuji punches the opponent and harms their soul as a side effects. Idc if it's dura neg or not. It's a mechanism.
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- Scan is not working
- What emotions coming from soul has anything to do with cursed spirits having a soul? Mahito calls Hanami thing as natural impulse as curse not emotions and the scans you sent already points it out.
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Cursed spirits have emotions = they have souls as emotions come from souls. Not everything is a natural impulse, they pretty clearly have emotions.
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Your own scan refutes what you are saying. Mahito didn't say Spirit has emotions. He says it's an something to do with insticts they gained.
Also this topic is irrelevant. Yuji has far more feats of Harming Mahito then a grade 2 Curse tanking a hit.
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? you can't have both instincts and emotions? By the way, the scan contradicts nil. Instinctive behavior = eat sleep etc, reason = everything else. Same with curses. That's what mahito is saying. You are tiring me.
It is irrelevant because you backtracked on dura neg, not that.
Anyway, I am going to sleep now. I suggest anyone who decides to read this thread just skip over this entire argument and vote based on smth else.
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