Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and 2-C: The Last of Many.

[LordGriffin1000]

So if I read the arguments right, the issue here seems to be what the verse interprets as a actual universe. There is the main universe, and in one of the scans, SomebodyData posted it says Neo Space is a universe but it's small and exists inside the main universe. Plus the world of darkness being planet level in size.

But in the scans Zencha9 posted it says the there are other "worlds" (universes) that exist parallel to the main universe, 12 to be exact. And some have been shown to have stars in them.

I can see what SomebodyData's issue is with the dimensions/universes as it's possible that not all could be universe in size, which seems based of the Neo Space thing. I'm not an expert in Yu-Gi-Oh, I don't watch any of the series anymore so lore wise I'm kinda off. However I think, the 12 universes brining legit universes makes more sense unless Neo Space is directly stated to be 1 off the 12 universes which doesn't seem to be the case. Otherwise we would have seen the other 10 universes in the main universe if they were parallel but like Neo Space.

Personally I agree with Zencha9 but that's not to say I don't understand SomebodyData's arguments either. The world of darkness being able to absorb the 12 universes but only be planet level in size seems off but the whole void thing could solve the issue.

 

[Zencha9]

@LordGriffin1000 yeah also one of my issues is the fact that neo space has never been treated as a universe it's just on the io moon
like when aqua dolphin (the dolphn dude who lives in neo space) tells jaden to save the universe he never specifies that neo space is a universe like he doesn't tell jaden to save the universes he just tells him to save the universe (only 1) and by doing that it will save neo space
also one of my problem is assuming uchu means universe when talking about neo space since uchu can mean both universe and space and space obviously makes more sense since 1- it's inside the universe 2- it's name is literally neo space 3- the fact that it was called a sub-space meaning it's a subset of the main universe (scans 1 , 2 )

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Agreeing with @LordGriffin1000 for now.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to all staff members who took the time to evaluate this.

 

[Zencha9]

current votes

Agree with @SomebodyData :
DarkDragonMedeus
Ogbunabali

Agrees (???) with @SomebodyData
Qawsedf234 (leaning torwards SD but his inteprtation is different from the one SD is proposing)

Agree with me:
DemonGodMitch
DinoRangerBlack
QuasiYuri
Elizhaa
Firestorm808
LordGriffin1000
Celestial_Pegasus

Neutral:
Crabwhale
Samanpatou (Argues At least 4-A, likely 2-C)
Mr.Bambu (thinks a compromise should be a fine solution, but it might not be valid since we moved from the semantics arguments)

other:
AKM and KingTempest told me that they will look into this thread later
(akm told me that he won't make any promises since he's busy)

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems like the statistics will likely remain as they are then. My apologies SomebodyData.

 

[Zencha9]

Well, it seems like the statistics will likely remain as they are then. My apologies SomebodyData.

cool then do we wait for @SomebodyData's input or de we close this thread ?

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait a while for further input.

 

[Zencha9]

sure

 

[SomebodyData]

So if I read the arguments right, the issue here seems to be what the verse interprets as a actual universe. There is the main universe, and in one of the scans, SomebodyData posted it says Neo Space is a universe but it's small and exists inside the main universe. Plus the world of darkness being planet level in size.

But in the scans Zencha9 posted it says the there are other "worlds" (universes) that exist parallel to the main universe, 12 to be exact. And some have been shown to have stars in them.

I can see what SomebodyData's issue is with the dimensions/universes as it's possible that not all could be universe in size, which seems based of the Neo Space thing. I'm not an expert in Yu-Gi-Oh, I don't watch any of the series anymore so lore wise I'm kinda off. However I think, the 12 universes brining legit universes makes more sense unless Neo Space is directly stated to be 1 off the 12 universes which doesn't seem to be the case. Otherwise we would have seen the other 10 universes in the main universe if they were parallel but like Neo Space.

Personally I agree with Zencha9 but that's not to say I don't understand SomebodyData's arguments either. The world of darkness being able to absorb the 12 universes but only be planet level in size seems off but the whole void thing could solve the issue.

I think I understand what you're saying, but there are a few issues which prevent Zencha's arguments from working.

The 12 dimensions quite literally exist within the main universe. One of those dimensions, being Earth.

They quite literally treat the Earth as its own universe/dimension, which is backed up when they say that the human universe and the world of darkness are counterparts, only to compare the World of Darkness... to the Earth.

Also, the World of Darkness may be called a void, but it's probably not the kind of void you're thinking of. We don't have a page for voids, but if we did it would probably fall under the same type as the primordial waters of Egyptian mythology than something that would fall under our current standards of Void Manipulation.

 

[Zencha9]

The 12 dimensions quite literally exist within the main universe. One of those dimensions, being Earth.

They quite literally treat the Earth as its own universe/dimension, which is backed up when they say that the human universe and the world of darkness are counterparts, only to compare the World of Darkness... to the Earth.

they have been stated to be universes
they have been stated to be parallel to the universe
they are unreachable by any means and a major plot point is that they are unreachable unless via a wormhole
so it doesn't make any sense for them to be planets and inisde the main universe since you're contradicting the plot itself
also no the world of darkness is not similar at all to the planet it's literally a non-existent void on the inside
and you never gave any scans saying that the earth is a dimension

Also, the World of Darkness may be called a void, but it's probably not the kind of void you're thinking of. We don't have a page for voids, but if we did it would probably fall under the same type as the primordial waters of Egyptian mythology than something that would fall under our current standards of Void Manipulation

well we don't and most statements refer to the inside we already went over this

 

[SomebodyData]

they have been stated to be universes
they have been stated to be parallel to the universe
they are unreachable by any means and a major plot point is that they are unreachable unless via a wormhole
so it doesn't make any sense for them to be planets and inisde the main universe sinced you're contradicting the plot itself
also no the world of darkness is not similar at all to the planet it's literally a non-existent void on the inside
and you never gave any scans saying that the earth is a dimension

Last time I'm saying this before I give you a warning.

I'm saying they're universes / their own dimensions, but size-wise is around tier 5.

The World of Darkness is a void, but you keep bringing it up knowing it's not the kind of void that would let you substep the issue of size and hoping no one realizes it:

It is, like I mentioned earlier, more of the Egyptian primordial sea kind of void, rather than anything that really fits what people think of when they think of void here.

Earth is quite literally considered the world that reflects the WoD:

I mean even the fooking island is its own dimension, but the Earth being its own dimension is what's hard to swallow?:

 

[SomebodyData]

well we don't and most statements refer to the inside we already went over this

When your argument relies on the standards not being explicitly written, that's a clear sign that your point isn't legitimate and only accurate by loosest of terms.

 

[Zencha9]

Last time I'm saying this before I give you a warning.

I'm saying they're universes / their own dimensions, but size-wise is around tier 5.

The World of Darkness is a void, but you keep bringing it up knowing it's not the kind of void that would let you substep the issue of size and hoping no one realizes it:



It is, like I mentioned earlier, more of the Egyptian primordial sea kind of void, rather than anything that really fits what people think of when they think of void here.

that does not make sense again where are you getting this from the only thing you had is neo space and that isn't a dimension
darkness's entire goal is for everyone to become one with him and live forever by erasing them once they lose their individuality and we are shown how they are erased on screen , so again if it isn't a void then it contradicts the story and the goal of darkness so fix that

Earth is quite literally considered the world that reflects the WoD:



I mean even the fooking island is its own dimension, but the Earth being its own dimension is what's hard to swallow?:

it's a world cool, now bring me scans of them being stated to be dimensions
a dimensional barrier is not a dimension............

 

[Zencha9]

When your argument relies on the standards not being explicitly written, that's a clear sign that your point isn't legitimate and only accurate by loosest of terms.

no what
even if there are standards it would still have that, my point is based on how the story and the motives of the characters are said in the show but as shown you clearly don't care about what the show actually tells given how many times you contradict the show and keep going forward

 

[SomebodyData]

that does not make sense again where are you getting this from the only thing you had is neo space and that isn't a dimension
darkness's entire goal is for everyone to become one with him and live forever by erasing them once they lose their individuality and we are shown how they are erased on screen , so again if it isn't a void then it contradicts the story and the goal of darkness so fix that

Easy 'fix'. It's a 'primordial sea' esque type of void, not the non-existent void, like I've been saying the entire time. Which is also proven by the plot, as the WoD can cause an eclipse.

it's a world cool, now bring me scans of them being stated to be dimensions
a dimensional barrier is not a dimension............

Though I feel like the fact that the WoD reflects the Earth, itself being considered its own universe, should have proven this alone. Not to mention the fact that again, all 12 dimensions exist within the universe.

Which also means they're parallel universes to Earth, not to the main universe.

 

[SomebodyData]

no what
even if there are standards it would still have that, my point is based on how the story and the motives of the characters are said in the show but as shown you clearly don't care about what the show actually tells given how many times you contradict the show and keep going forward

Intent really doesn't matter (Assuming that's what you're talking about), you can ask literally anyone here if we factor author's intent.

Also, lol, no way we're putting our standards below intent.

 

[Zencha9]

Easy 'fix'. It's a 'primordial sea' esque type of void, not the non-existent void, like I've been saying the entire time. Which is also proven by the plot, as the WoD can cause an eclipse.

i don't know what a primordial sea is nor do i care WoD erases the phsyical components so it's a void otherwise it's a contradiction, already talked how the statments referS to the inside no need to go over that again

Though I feel like the fact that the WoD reflects the Earth, itself being considered its own universe, should have proven this alone. Not to mention the fact that again, all 12 dimensions exist within the universe.


Which also means they're parallel universes to Earth, not to the main universe.

shame it says world (sekai) not uchu
sure a universe encompasess the 12 dimensions and in one of the 12 dimensions the main universe exists, that doesn't mean anything though

 

[Zencha9]

Intent really doesn't matter (Assuming that's what you're talking about), you can ask literally anyone here if we factor author's intent.

Also, lol, no way we're putting our standards below intent.

it's not intent it's about what the story and characters say and how you're contradicting that

 

[SomebodyData]

i don't know what a primordial sea is nor do i care it erases the physical components so it's a void otherwise it's a contradiction, already talked how the statments refer to the inside no need to go over that again

It's not a contradiction, it's still a void (just the primordial sea kind of void), just not a NEP void. I mean we literally see what I'm saying, how could you probably be ignoring this?

shame it says world (sekai) not uchu
sure a universe encompasses the 12 dimensions and in one of the 12 dimensions the main universe exists, that doesn't mean anything though

Back to semantics huh? Also, you literally argued uchu didn't count since the beginning of the thread, and now it would? Give me a break, at least be consistent about it.

Listen to yourself, how could the universe both encompass the 12 dimensions and be one of those 12 dimensions?

it's not intent it's about what the story and characters say and how you're contradicting that

I already told you, I'm not arguing they're not universes. So what is the contradiction?

 

[Zencha9]

It's not a contradiction, it's still a void (just the primordial sea kind of void), just not a NEP void. I mean we literally see what I'm saying, how could you probably be ignoring this?

how is it not NEP again the world of darkness not being NEP is contradiction because the world of darkness erases you by absorbing you into himself
ignoring what ? they become one with darkness once they lose their individuality

Back to semantics huh? Also, you literally argued uchu didn't count since the beginning of the thread, and now it would? Give me a break, at least be consistent about it.

Listen to yourself, how could the universe both encompass the 12 dimensions and be one of those 12 dimensions?

oh yeah ingore the context of the statement and how it compares earth to the world of darkness of course it's a universe, so yeah i don't ask you for uchu scans just give me a single scan that says says that the world of darkness is a dimensions or part of the 12 dimensions
yubel never said that the universe that encompasses 12 dimensions is one of them

I already told you, I'm not arguing they're not universes. So what is the contradiction?

the contradiction you made ? sure
1-darkness's motive
2-neo space being dimension for some reason even though(3)
3-it contradicts how the 12 dimension are described being an alt universes
4-how no one had any way of reaching an alt dimension and now you want me to beileve that they are inside the main universe ?
edit:there's probably alot more that i forgot but oh well you get it

 

[SomebodyData]

how is it not NEP again the world of darkness not being NEP is contradiction because the world of darkness erases you by absorbing you into himself
ignoring what ? they become one with darkness once they lose their individuality

That's literally not NEP or EE, but ABSORPTION. YOU LITERALLY SAID IT YOURSELF.

oh yeah ignore the context of the statement and how it compares earth to the world of darkness of course it's a universe, so yeah i don't ask you for uchu scans just give me a single scan that says says that the world of darkness is a dimensions or part of the 12 dimensions
yubel never said that the universe that encompasses 12 dimensions is one of them

Sure:

the contradiction you made ? sure
1-darkness's motive
2-neo space being dimension for some reason even though(3)
3-it contradicts how the 12 dimension are described being an alt universes
4-how no one had any way of reaching an alt dimension and now you want me to beileve that they are inside the main universe ?
edit:there's probably alot more that i forgot but oh well you get it

1- He has literally no motive.
2- Neo Space is a dimension, tho
3- Alt to Earth, not to the main universe, which again, they exist within.
4- Yes? Spacially divided dimensions can exist within the main universe. For example, Dragon Ball has Heaven divided from the living world but is part of U7 still.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Dunno if it’s okay to say anything and you can delete this if need be but …… you guys are just going ad nauseum. Everything you say has been said before multiples times in just the last page alone. It is probably best to just leave it up to the staff who show up to comment and cast their agreement with whatever they believe to be more valid since both of you have given your conclusions already. More comments just means said conclusions are harder to find.

 

[Zencha9]

That's literally not NEP or EE, but ABSORPTION. YOU LITERALLY SAID IT YOURSELF.

absorption into what ? yeah into himself a void a place where physical forms are useless, there's also EE via absorption in the wiki i dunno what you're talking about

1- He has literally no motive.
2- Neo Space is a dimension, tho
3- Alt to Earth, not to the main universe, which again, they exist within.
4- Yes? Spacially divided dimensions can exist within the main universe. For example, Dragon Ball has Heaven divided from the living world but is part of U7 still

1-what. his motive is for everyone to become immortal by becoming one with him ( scan ) and if they have physical bodies then they would die
2-scans?
3-again that is based on neo space and you haven't brought up a proof of that
4-dragon ball is completely different than YGO because from what i herd from knowledgeable people regarding the tiering system they say that it's pretty inconsistent and it's rating will be questioned in the near future so it's false equivalence
and the 12 dimensions being in the main universe contradicts some stuff since again when the light was going to destory the universe and the entirety of season 2 was based on that they never mention anything regarding the main universe having multiple universes inside them they just refer to a singular universe
and this also causes plot holes like how are duel spirits are not affected by the light and darkness waves nor do they know it's existence
said waves would make half of the duel spirits warriors of darkness and all of them would be immune to mind hax
while the other are mind haxxed by the light

 

[Zencha9]

also i really hate how you misinterpreted what darkness says

 

[SomebodyData]

absorption into what ? yeah into himself a void a place where physical forms are useless, there's also EE via absorption in the wiki i dunno what you're talking about

EE via absorption on the wiki? That doesn't change the fact that it's absorbing it into itself, adding to it not erasing the mass altogether like conventional EE / hakai.

1-what. his motive is for everyone to become immortal by becoming one with him ( scan ) and if they have physical bodies then they would die
2-scans?
3-again that is based on neo space and you haven't brought up a proof of that
4-dragon ball is completely different than YGO because from what i herd from knowledgeable people regarding the tiering system they say that it's pretty inconsistent and it's rating will be questioned in the near future so it's false equivalence
and the 12 dimensions being in the main universe contradicts some stuff since again when the light was going to destory the universe and the entirety of season 2 was based on that they never mention anything regarding the main universe having multiple universes inside them they just refer to a singular universe
and this also causes plot holes like how are duel spirits are not affected by the light and darkness waves nor do they know it's existence
said waves would make half of the duel spirits warriors of darkness and all of them would be immune to mind hax
while the other are mind haxxed by the light

1- ...Which can happen with Absorption or a regular void. You don't have to be a NEP void to do so.
2-

3- Didn't mention Neo Space in this.
4- The Heaven is in the universe part isn't being questioned as far as I'm aware, which is the part that matters here. Also, Yubel was affected by the light of darkness, so yeah they were affected, so its actually more consistent on this part.

 

[Zencha9]

EE via absorption on the wiki? That doesn't change the fact that it's absorbing it into itself, adding to it not erasing the mass altogether like conventional EE / hakai.

yes it exits, that's headcanon scans say that WoD erase all of existence and the physical forms would be gone so it means that WoD erase mass altogether unless proven otherwise

1- ...Which can happen with Absorption or a regular void. You don't have to be a NEP void to do so.
2-

3- Didn't mention Neo Space in this.
4- The Heaven is in the universe part isn't being questioned as far as I'm aware, which is the part that matters here. Also, Yubel was affected by the light of darkness, so yeah they were affected, so its actually more consistent on this part.

1-they thing they are becoming one with is the void though the reason why they're being erased is because they lose their physical form and become one with darkness a void
2-first off we already went over how this scan is useless , and again where do they state that neo space is a dimension none of the scan you brought up says that neo space is a dimension
3-then where do you get planet size dimensions ?
4-i dunno about heaven but the timeline has 12 universes and each one of them are treated as Low 2-C right now i could've brought this up as a direct counter argument but it's being questioned
yubel says that he couldn't control her mind and was only able to twist her personality otherwise she would be a slave

 

[SomebodyData]

yes it exits, that's headcanon scans say that WoD erase all of existence and the physical forms would be gone so it means that WoD erase mass altogether unless proven otherwise

How does absorption work here, according to your interpretation? Because first of all, that's not entirely true:

We see the WoD can still summon what it absorbs back out in the world (Plus when it's defeated they all come back out of the WoD), it's not like the existence is gone completely- just becomes part of the WoD.

1-they thing they are becoming one with is the void though the reason why they're being erased is because they lose their physical form and become one with darkness a void
2-first off we already went over how this scan is useless , and again where do they state that neo space is a dimension none of the scan you brought up says that neo space is a dimension
3-then where do you get planet size dimensions ?
4-i dunno about heaven but the timeline has 12 universes and each one of them are treated as Low 2-C right now i could've brought this up as a direct counter argument but it's being questioned
yubel says that he couldn't control her mind and was only able to twist her personality otherwise she would be a slave

1 - ^I'll merge this part with the top argument since they're basically the same.
2 - This scan still works, even if I were to agree with your argument for the other scan:

3 - Well they're called parallel worlds but if they're inside the universe, then the conclusion would be they're parallel to Earth (mind you, that doesn't mean they're earth-sized, as parallel worlds don't have to be the same size, just tier 5).
4 - I'm referring to how the universe has two "universes" (like Heaven) inside it, not the bizarre timeline stuffs in DBS. Sorry, should have clarified.
That's still mind manip.

 

[Zencha9]

How does absorption work here, according to your interpretation? Because first of all, that's not entirely true:

We see the WoD can still summon what it absorbs back out in the world (Plus when it's defeated they all come back out of the WoD), it's not like the existence is gone completely- just becomes part of the WoD.

i am saying this for almost the 100th time it works based on if the characters can give their individualities in order to become fully one with darkness as long as they are somehow conscious/battling their memories then they are fine, that's why darkness wanted to yeet judai

2 - This scan still works, even if I were to agree with your argument for the other scan:

3 - Well they're called parallel worlds but if they're inside the universe, then the conclusion would be they're parallel to Earth (mind you, that doesn't mean they're earth-sized, as parallel worlds don't have to be the same size, just tier 5).
4 - I'm referring to how the universe has two "universes" (like Heaven) inside it, not the bizarre timeline stuffs in DBS. Sorry, should have clarified.
That's still mind manip.

2- still not a dimensions
3-again they're inside a universe that has never been shown and it doesn't matter since again they are called universe and there's no reason to assume they're planets
4-and what's the reason behind that ? there's gotta be a reason i'm gonna check it, the timeline stuff is works exactly the same as the 12 universes
encompassed by 1 space

 

[DaReaperMan]

A dimension can be anywhere from 10-C all the way to 1-A if not High 1-A.

 

[Zencha9]

A dimension can be anywhere from 10-C all the way to 1-A if not High 1-A.

that is true

 

[Imaginym]

So what evidence is there to determine the sizes of any of the 12 Dimensions?

Does the "Void" of the World of Darkness have any relation to determining the size of 1 or more of the dimensions?

Does the "Dimensional Barrier" brought up in some parts of this debate have any relation to determining the size of 1 or more of the dimensions?

How do we know the 12 Dimensions are all the same size?

(Also, wasn't there some whole subplot about Duel Academy being transported to a different dimension?)

 

[Zencha9]

So what evidence is there to determine the sizes of any of the 12 Dimensions?

Does the "Void" of the World of Darkness have any relation to determining the size of 1 or more of the dimensions?

Does the "Dimensional Barrier" brought up in some parts of this debate have any relation to determining the size of 1 or more of the dimensions?

How do we know the 12 Dimensions are all the same size?

(Also, wasn't there some whole subplot about Duel Academy being transported to a different dimension?)

the Dimensional Barrier thing is because of everything that happened in the story (the sacred beasts, the light of destruction, and yubel) these things caused alot of energy/darkness to build up in the academy it's the reason why trueman was able to get inside the human world and the reason why jaden and his friends were able to go into the dark world dimension in season 3

about the size
the 12 dimension were stated to be universe alot of times and all of the dimension that were shown on screen have stars/moons and constellations and are stated to parallel the human dimension which is a universe

 

[Zencha9]

so i asked someone about the heaven part in DB
and the reason to why they don't use 2-C heaven is because it's Anime original
so yeah....

 

[Imaginym]

the Dimensional Barrier thing is because of everything that happened in the story (the sacred beasts, the light of destruction, and yubel) these things caused alot of energy/darkness to build up in the academy it's the reason why trueman was able to get inside the human world and the reason why jaden and his friends were able to go into the dark world dimension in season 3

I don't follow. How did what cause what?

about the size
the 12 dimension were stated to be universe alot of times and all of the dimension that were shown on screen have stars/moons and constellations and are stated to parallel the human dimension which is a universe

(The question of which statements/times aside....)How many of the 12 Dimensions did we see?

Also, having stars & constellations & such don't necessarily prove a structure is 2-C, since they don't necessarily prove it's infinite, even if it has space & time, obviously enough. Being stated as paralleling the ostensibly infinite human dimension is helpful, though.... (What's the statement used to demonstrate all of the 12 dimensions are parallel as such to the "human" dimension?)

 

[Zencha9]

I don't follow. How did what cause what?

emotions are basically energy in yugioh see zarc and how super poly was created

(The question of which statements/times aside....)How many of the 12 Dimensions did we see?

Also, having stars & constellations & such don't necessarily prove a structure is 2-C, since they don't necessarily prove it's infinite, even if it has space & time, obviously enough. Being stated as paralleling the ostensibly infinite human dimension is helpful, though.... (What's the statement used to demonstrate all of the 12 dimensions are parallel as such to the "human" dimension?)

only 3 including ours
there's no need for the universe to be infinite for 2-C just that they just need to be universal in size and have space-times (we assume that with parrallel worlds)
here ( 1 , 2 )

 

[Imaginym]

emotions are basically energy in yugioh see zarc and how super poly was created

A bunch of emotions created both Super Polymerization AND the Dimensional Barrier?? Did you explain the creation of Super Polymerization earlier in this thread? Link to such a post, please?

only 3 including ours
there's no need for the universe to be infinite for 2-C just that they just need to be universal in size and have space-times (we assume that with parrallel worlds)
here ( 1 , 2 )

& are 2-C Universes not infinite in size?

 

[Zencha9]

A bunch of emotions created both Super Polymerization AND the Dimensional Barrier?? Did you explain the creation of Super Polymerization earlier in this thread? Link to such a post, please?

i probably did in the thread but i'm not sure since the thread is too long but yea, the creation of super poly was from negative emotions like Anger Anguish Doubt etc
and yeah they did create a wormhole when going into the dark world
and they also used duel energy to make a worm hole bigger in order to send rainbow dragons

& are 2-C Universes not infinite in size?

i don't think so

 

[Imaginym]

i probably did in the thread but i'm not sure since the thread is too long but yea, the creation of super poly was from negative emotions like Anger Anguish Doubt etc
and yeah they did create a wormhole when going into the dark world
and they also used duel energy to make a worm hole bigger in order to send rainbow dragons

This may be useful information in clarifying if the dimensions are separate, & how they are located, relative to one another.

i don't think so

Do you mean:
1. That Low 2-C Universes need to be infinite in size?
2. That Low 2-C Universes DO NOT need to be infinite in size?

 

[Zencha9]

This may be useful information in clarifying if the dimensions are separate, & how they are located, relative to one another.

they are treated as basiclly parallel dimensions and a plot point is that they are unreachable except via a wormhole
(the plot point is sending rainbow dragon to another dimension btw)
and we know that they are separated by a dimensional wall
i think this should be enough for them to be considered separate

Do you mean:
1. That Low 2-C Universes need to be infinite in size?
2. That Low 2-C Universes DO NOT need to be infinite in size

they do not need to be infinite in size to reach low 2-C they just need to be universal in size