You guys like obscure anime series, right? (Pumpkin Night CRT)

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Naoko Kirino

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Kazuya Makino

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Made some changes to the pages. Let's discuss.

Oh, and this calculation needs to be evaluated. Thank you in advance.

 

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[Expectro2000xxx]

Hmm, Naoko have two or three keys? Because some parts only mention two but others show three, like for example:

Keys: Part 1/Pre-Resurrection | Part 2/Post-Resurrection (before being captured) | Part 2 (after being captured)

But with this in tier:

At least 9-C, possibly 9-B | 9-B

The speed section also show three keys but the other stats only have two.

Edit: Also, you bump too much, only do it after 8-12 hours.

 

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All of her Part 2 stats are practically the same across both keys.

The only differences between her "before being captured" and "after being captured" key is her equipment; in the former, she wielded a pump shotgun and had access to an expansive arsenal of other weapons and firearms, but in the latter, she has nothing. The reason her speed section reflects the difference between the two keys is because of the existence of the shotgun.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

All of her Part 2 stats are practically the same across both keys.

The only differences between her "before being captured" and "after being captured" key is her equipment; in the former, she wielded a pump shotgun and had access to an expansive arsenal of other weapons and firearms, but in the latter, she has nothing. The reason her speed section reflects the difference between the two keys is because of the existence of the shotgun.

Um, that's wrong, even if the stats are completely the same they still need to be listed, is because of that that many profiles have listed in the stats 'same as before', you need to add the third key to the rest of stats if you want a third key, and if the key don't really add anything why not just eliminate it and add the shotgun to the second key?

 

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Key: For characters who have transformation stages/power-ups or who become stronger through certain points of the story, insert those transformations/power-ups/timelines here in bold.

Her stats remained the same across both keys, so there is no need to list both of them separately.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I'm 99% sure that even in that case you need to list it in the keys, but if you want wait until other also point that.

 

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[Dalesean027]

Hm I've heard of this series once before I can't speak on it since I haven't read it tho, is it a good read

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

As someone who works on obscure verses (most of them being horror-based) and respects long in-depth profiles, these two rewrites look great and they should be added. But I have to say, the keys are structured weirdly as Expectro pointed out.

 

[Duedate8898]

The pages look good for me, the only thing I think might not be needed is the parts about Inhuman Pain Tolerance and Inhibition. That could just be put under Supernatural Willpower since they seem to come from the same place on the profile. And, a lot of that I think can be put under stamina.

 

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That could just be put under Supernatural Willpower since they seem to come from the same place on the profile.

They aren't quite the same. Supernatural Willpower details her ability to push through adversity through sheer strength of will, whereas her Pain Tolerance and Inhibition is just her physical ability to ignore pain.

 

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[Magmag]

No comment towards the powerscaling portion but i was skimming through this manga a while ago and although almost every female is a psycho they're still mad hot.

 

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[Dalesean027]

Why don't you just send this to some staff to look at or put it in the CRT promotion thread since it's not getting much attention

 

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I put it in the promotion thread already, so I'll try direct messages.

 

[azontr]

Pumpkin Night profiles? ****, that's awesome. Lemme look through these.

 

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Nigh-Undetectable Presence

Even within the constrictions of a bustling neighborhood, she totally eluded the public eye after running Asumi head-first into a major vehicular accident[22].

This is really not a good feat. The girl is screaming in pain and yet nobody notices. This is more like plot armor

Traversed the ventilation system of a hospital and into the room where Saki was being operated on[23].

Look, no one noticing that someone is moving in the ventilation is not a good feat as "Undetectable Presence"

Crept up on Mr. Matsui before he noticed, with the latter only realizing once she finally made herself known[24])

Well, in the scene he was thinking about the situation and tired, while Naoko was on top of a tree. I don't know if this can be considered impressive

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Overwhelming Frightening and Influential Presence

her "final" words left Arata utterly traumatized[25], shaken to the point that the mere sight of pumpkins sent him into a panic[26] which eventually drove him to impulsively strike a woman buying her son a festive balloon out of fear[27]

Naoko tortured and killed his acquaintances in an extremely cruel and painful way. Anyone would be traumatized if they were threatened with death in the same way, regardless of who the murderer was

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Wall level (Withstood and seemingly brushed off a savage beating from Arata[19], who is much stronger than Naruto. Then, she lived through being thrown down a twenty meter-deep pit and landing on pillars of rebar[10])

why this is 9-B

 

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why this is 9-B

Arata and Kazuya both scale above Naruto, who survived a 9-B explosion.

Naoko tortured and killed his acquaintances in an extremely cruel and painful way. Anyone would be traumatized if they were threatened with death in the same way, regardless of who the murderer was

This would still be considered Social Influencing.

It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors.

 

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Arata and Kazuya both scale above Naruto, who survived a 9-B explosion.

Wasn't that refused?

This would still be considered Social Influencing.

I don't see how. Arata is not afraid because of authority or Naoko's strength (even because physically he is represented as stronger). He is afraid of being tortured to death

 

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Wasn't that refused?

The actual explosion calculation was rejected, but Armorchompy conceded that the feat would still be 9-B since the explosion blew out the windshield of the van.

He is afraid of being tortured to death

That would still be considered authority, no? She has the power to do whatever she wants to him whenever he wants, and he knows that — she essentially has authority over him. Either way, she is still directly influencing his way of thinking.

 

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The actual explosion calculation was rejected, but Armorchompy conceded that the feat would still be 9-B since the explosion blew out the windshield of the van.

Destroy a windshield being 9-B? wtf
The link you sent shows impact calculations, btw

That would still be considered authority, no? She has the power to do whatever she wants to him whenever he wants, and he knows that — she essentially has authority over him. Either way, she is still directly influencing his way of thinking.

Well, that's how a trauma works. And it works specifically against Arata, Naruto is still okay mentally. It just means that Arata felt more impacted by the situation

 

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Apparently, the calculation for shattering a windshield has been rejected due to glass breaking standards changing, so I'm going have to revise the ratings again.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Does something like "10-A, 9-C with weapons" work?

 

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Does something like "10-A, 9-C with weapons" work?

Oh, no. There are a couple of 9-C feats that can be attributed to her physical strength.

For example:

• Brutalized Saki and destroyed her nose with the blunt end of her knife and later knocked her out in one strike
• Overpowered and ripped apart medical personnel with ease
• Slashed Asumi with the scooper end of her knife and ripped out a chunk of her face instantaneously
• Drove a lead pipe through a police officer off-screen
• Lifted Nomizu into the air using a hook wrapped around a tree branch

So, she would stay 9-C in general.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

To be honest, the only part that seems 9-C is Naoko killing the doctors, as she is clearly show as superhuman. However I am not sure

The rest is just 10-A at best

 

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The other feats are fairly impressive, at least by normal human standards.

Merely breaking a nose, as in simply fracturing the nasal bone, for example, can require upwards to 815 joules (9-C), and Naoko damn near obliterated Saki's, crushing it against the blunt end of her knife, in one strike.

Just stabbing through the human neck can require over 300 joules, just breaching into 9-C, and jabbing just five fingers through the head yielded 540-1779 joules; driving a metal rod through the skull should require more energy.

Also, tearing out one's eyes and an entire chunk of their face in one strike, regardless of what weapon is used, is something that is physically impossible for any normal human to do. That also requires destroying a chunk of the skull as well, which is very likely 9-C, at the minimum.

 

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Merely breaking a nose, as in simply fracturing the nasal bone, for example, can require upwards to 815 joules (9-C), and Naoko damn near obliterated Saki's, crushing it

She did this with a metal weapon. If you are naturally athletic and use a metal weapon on any human you can completely annihilate a person's face in a few moments. For example, a normal human can literally destroy a person's head with a hammer, but that doesn't mean that the guy can generate an energy of 15000 Joules by himself

Also, If I'm not mistaken, KingTempest made a thread about not scaling characters via pure weapon feats

Just stabbing through the human neck can require over 300 joules

Well, yes, that is true. But you know, piercing damage via weapon.

In fact, if you search for "decapitation" on any gore site you will quite easily find people cutting off heads with a single strike

 

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In fact, if you search for "decapitation" on any gore site you will quite easily find people cutting off heads with a single strike

A better example would be a samurai, who frequently beheaded people.

 

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She did this with a metal weapon. If you are naturally athletic and use a metal weapon on any human you can completely annihilate a person's face in a few moments.

Hitting someone in the face with a hammer and breaking their nose, or hitting someone in the face with a baseball bat and breaking their nose is not the same as hitting someone in the face with an ice cream scooper and breaking their nose.

While yes, all three of the aforementioned instruments are made of metal, the baseball bat and the hammer are both heavy and dense; they are wholly metal on the inside and the outside. When you swing a hammer or a bat, most of the energy being generated is from the thick, heavy, metal object in your hands and not yourself; hence why a metal baseball bat performs better than one of those hollow, plastic ones kids play with, or why a steel hammer does the job better than a rubber mallet.

On the other hand, the ice cream scooper is both incredibly light — well, the entire knife is light — and is hollow, both of which are completely paramount to the properties of the previously mentioned instruments. Not only that, but unlike with a bat or a hammer, where you swing the instrument with your hands on the handle, thus reducing your influence over its force, Naoko is gripping the knife at the base of the scooper, so the force being generated to destroy Saki's nose is entirely hers, or at the very least majority of it is. She is directly influencing the strength of this scooper, so it would scale to her.

Well, yes, that is true. But you know, piercing damage via weapon.

Piercing damage and slashing damage are not the same. Even a child can end up breaking skin with relative ease by applying just the minimal amount of force to a sharp edge; razor blades, scissors, paper, even soda cans can slice through someone with very little effort. In fact, there was one time where I was washing the dishes at home, and I was foolishly rubbing the edge of a stainless steel knife with a rag with as little force as possible, and the knife cut through the rag and into my thumb deep enough to where I needed sutures.

Completely paramount to this, though, is piercing damage, which requires far more force then slashing damage. When you pierce something, you actually destroy a sizable piece of the body in the process. Cutting someone with a knife, even if the slash is swallow, requires significantly less energy than is required to both break skin and then puncture the underlying tissue and muscles. In the case of piercing through bones, that requires even more energy, since bones are far more dense and durable than tissue and flesh.

My little brother once cut both my head and my arm open, on separate occasions, with a metal rod/pole despite being incredibly weak and just only managing to graze me, but it would be impossible for him to stab that same rod through my head, especially because the pole is flat, rather than sharp. You would need a significant amount of energy to jam a flat instrument through the human body, much more than would required to slash through it.

 

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Hitting someone in the face with a hammer and breaking their nose, or hitting someone in the face with a baseball bat and breaking their nose is not the same as hitting someone in the face with an ice cream scooper and breaking their nose.

First of all, it is not even an "ice cream scoop", it is a legitimate weapon. Secondly, hitting a person several times in the nose with a rock would not be much different from what happened

On the other hand, the ice cream scooper is both incredibly light — well, the entire knife is light — and is hollow, both of which are completely paramount to the properties of the previously mentioned instruments.

Being hollow doesn't matter, of course that shit is meant to kill, or at least hurt. There are several pointed parts that obviously serve to cut.

Simply imagine a hollow stone in your hand and then imagine it attacking a person's nose. The material is harder than human skin, and so it will be much easier to injure with it than merely with your bare hands. This is literally basic logic, otherwise the famous "English Punch" would be useless

Piercing damage and slashing damage are not the same.

In itself it is a "whatever". Slash damage is much simpler than pure impact damage. Beheadings by samurai were common for exemple, and we do not classify them as superhuman. They were also able to open the stomach through slash damage with a not very large knife.

You can also notice that the bodies of normal humans are not totally destroyed by Naoko's attacks when they are impact-based, unlike when she uses a knife

Actually, thinking now it all depends mainly on how the knife is, whether it is sharp or not