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"You can't catch me!" Gingerbread Man vs Monty Burns

mister burns cannot survive running for more then a minute and And even the slightest breeze could severely injure, or possibly even kill Mr. Burns;
 
he can trick the gingerbread man as the gingerbread man is gullible. he can win
 
he is nI doubt he can even bend over and take the gingerbread, and he is not fast enough to take it before it coulds realize its being attacked
 
goddamit, sorry, on a phone.

He cannot bend over and take the ginger bread man, as it would realize he is reaching for it. If he did take it in his hand, the gingerbread struggling would be enough to kill him
 
If the wind and light beams can seriously injure him, I don't think he's going to be surviving the recoil of a gun.
 
Is the Gingerbread Man actually trying to kill Mr. Burns? By SBA, he would be willing to, but in-character, he'd readily run from an opponent.

Plus, in a strange turn, this might become a battle of cowardice.

The Gingerbread Man: "He's just an old human man! I can easily outrun him, & my ginger body will last much longer than his old brittle body! It's only a matter of time and he'll die!"

Mr. Burns: "That foolish Gingerbread Man thinks I'll never catched him... and I won't! I've lived long enough to know that gingerbread only lasts 3 weeks before it expires. 8 months in a freezer ! And I've lived thousands of years thanks to my uniquely diseased biology! Another year won't kill Montgomery Burns!!"

Ergo, the Gingerbread Man, in-character, would readily run away, & would probably think he can avoid an old man until the old man dies; He's outrun far faster things. But he might not suspect that an emaciated man WOULDN'T chase after him to eat him.

Or pose as a sickly, starving old man about to die -He certainly looks the part!- to exploit the Gingerbread Man's canon gullibility; The Gingerbread Man would likely run, being in-character, willing to kill Mr. Burns by any means, trying to avoid a fight & not knowing about Mr. Burns's Longevity.

And Mr. Burns is probably smart, cultured & long-lived enough to know the Gingerbread Man's fable, or at the very least, that gingerbread can expire & that he'd never catch him, but he would outlive him.

Mr. Burns could taunt him, lurch menacingly, & pretend to chase the Gingerbread Man to get him to flee Mr. Burns; At some point afterwards, he'd likely have to deal with other pursuers.

I mean, you didn't specify battlefield location, & SBA says we default to Central Park; There'd be plenty of things that would keep the Gingerbread Man running from there, like squirrels, birds & other rodents.

With such a strategy, the old man could trick the Gingerbread Man into dying of food expiration or other causes, THEN eat him when he's dead. Sweet victory!


For a more proactive strategy, the Gingerbread Man is gullible, & Mr. Burns could readily exploit this. For example, he could hide for a bit, take off his coat, approach with his removed coat behind his back, claiming he has a gift for the Gingerbread Man, & throw it over him. Presumably he can lift it if he can wear it, & he's definitely carried clothing; Recall "See My Vest", his whole song about his clothing?

I'd question how capable the Gingerbread Man is to lift the weight of a coat, & with it over him, Mr. Burns has him trapped &/or blinded. Even temporarily this is an advantage, even IF he can't stomp him.

Simply sit down on the Gingerbread Man while he's under the coat, unaware of Monty's movements, in a speed equalized match. Then he'll be crushed by the weight of a grown -albeit, very skinny & frail- old man.

Even a light business suit could be as much as 1.2kgs

I'm not entirely sure of the weight of a/the Gingerbread Man, but this document may help.

This site claims its yield of 6.5 to 7 dozen circular cookies weighs about 1.4 kgs. 6.5 * 12 = 78. 1.4 kgs = 1400 grams. 1200 / 78 = ~15.384

Ergo, if the Gingerbread Man is anything like those round cookies & can't lift more than his own weight (Let alone over FIFTEEN TIMES that) he may not be able to get out from under a coat.
 
first, mister burns disease can kill him with the slightest of problems, and cannot keep him alive whitout drinking.

Second, by SBA, they are in a fifhting mentaly

And third, the gingerberg can jump several meters high, and wouldn't need to lift all of the cloak to get under it
 
Yes, but my point was those diseases keeping him in homeostasis seems to be the cause of his longevity, & he does show being able to do his daily life, like walking, talking, etc.

For his age, he's had stuff like being alive in the 19th Century, or being listed as being born in Pangaea. Mr. Burns living much longer seems likely.

Also, what do you mean "without drinking"? There isn't much exertion behind making a scary pose or scary face & saying something sinister.

"they are in a fighting mentality"?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Battle_Assumptions

State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.

In-character, but willing to kill. And the Gingerbread Man is not only gullible, but abandoning an exceptionally frail, sickly very old man is definitely a way of killing him, normally. And running away from his enemies was how the Gingerbread Man dealt with them, no?
 
Yes, but my point was those diseases keeping him in homeostasis seems to be the cause of his longevity, & he does show being able to do his daily life, like walking, talking, etc.

And..? Gingerbread last 3 weeks, thats more than enough for someone perfectly healty to die. A guy in come can survive for 5 days tops whitout water, and even than thats a very unlikely thing


"they are in a fighting mentality"?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Battle_Assumptions

State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.

In-character, but willing to kill. And the Gingerbread Man is not only gullible, but abandoning an exceptionally frail, sickly very old man is definitely a way of killing him, normally. And running away from his enemies was how the Gingerbread Man dealt with them, no?

"The characters will employ their usual battle strategies"


Running away was not a fighting mentality it had. And it was gullable to a fox, it didn't listen to humans
 
Mr. Burns is not in a coma, though. He's alive & can do a lot more than a comatose person, even if he is very weak. And he doesn't have to do much to get to water; He's in Central Park & speed is equalized. Assuming we involve the rest of New York.... He can just walk to a water fountain or a building or something. He only has to evade his opponent. Get into a building with no gaps in the doorway, for example. He ran away from the old woman who created him, every animal in town, & every person. All of whom wanted to eat him. How is that not his primary tactic? The fox was the SOLE exception.

Besides that our profile for the Gingerbread Man explicitly mentions he's gullible in his weaknesses section, it was gullible to a fox, but the Gingerbread Man interacts very little with others; Every person & animal literally tells him first "Stop" & then "I want to eat you", & the Gingerbread Man simply taunts them, saying he's run away from others & he can run away from them, they'll never catch him.

The fox is the only one who tells him it won't eat him, & it does so under the pretense of carrying him across a river, which the Gingerbread Man takes despite knowing his own inability to swim.

He trusted a complete stranger when every other person & animal so far had tried to eat him, & trusted this stranger to carry him over water, despite that, since he can't swim, just going near water is a great risk of him drowning or dissolving.

And when the fox says he's too heavy for his tail, get on his back, he gets off the fox's tail, onto the fox's back.

And when the fox says he's too heavy for his BACK, get onto his NOSE, the Gingerbread man does so. Then, at shore, the fox flips him into the air, snaps his jaws, & eats the Gingerbread Man.

Mr. Burns would be the 1st person to tell him he wouldn't eat him, & in a world where all the animals could talk & all of them SAID they wanted to eat him, just like all the people did, I can see the Gingerbread Man believing the first person who said wouldn't eat him.


Even if they do actually fight, I'm not entirely sure the Gingerbread Man has the edge. Mr. Burns's own profile's gallery shows he's able to swing a baseball bat even just slightly before collapsing.

Most bats are going to weigh over 900 kg, several times more than a Gingerbread Cookie . Even if Mr. Burns has a tenth of that strength, it's still more than the Gingerbread Man's whole body weight, let alone the force to lift the bat or even move it slightly.

The Gingerbread Man also has no combat experience, unlike Montgomery, & speed is equalized. At the very least, I think Mr. Burns would be able to pin him.

There's also the fact that Mr. Burns has survived a great deal of gold, jewels & coins falling on & burying him shoulder-deep; Much more force than a Gingerbread Cookie can deliver.
 
The ant took some time to actually overpower his efforts, but yes. But we've also seen him left & try to swing a baseball bat & he supposedly overpowered the Loch Ness Monster off-screen through unknown means; But that he rolled up his sleeves first & Willie (A remarkably fit Scottish janitor) suggests it was physical.

Even ignoring that, Mr. Burns arguably has better survivability, since he's survived being sent flying several meters, having treasure fall on him....
 
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