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Yhwach VS Misogi Kumagawa

TauanVictor said:
I mean, I changed the key, unless 3-B is also considered 4-D.
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He resisted all of Kumagawa's stuff without being 4D anyways man, click below.

1. Soul Manipulation: Yhwach has soul manipulation scaling in the trillions and Kumagawa doesn't. Passive hax all bleach characters have is soul crush, which outright kills people if you stand too close. Kumagawa dies even if he's kilometers near Yhwach.
2. Book Maker lower's someone to Kumagawa's level (8-C). Yhwach casually resisted getting his AP lowered to 10-C, at the level of an ant so it won't work.
3. All Fiction uses cause and effect to attack and res him. Yhwach uses his own causality manipulation to absolutely destroy Inoue's conceptual manipulation which is the same as Kumagawa's. He destroys stuff in every possible timeline using his Allmighty, which means he can't resurrect or affect Yhwach.
4. Yhwach can absorb Kumagawa, and All Fiction doesn't stop that as he isn't dead but can't actively activate his ability.
 
TauanVictor said:
I mean, I changed the key, unless 3-B is also considered 4-D.
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The issue wasn't just Yhwach's Low 2-C

Yhwach himself already resists statistics reduction on a conceptual level, he was given the power and abilities of an ant by Ichibe, but regained his normal power and abilities.
 
Base Yhwach starts with close combat accompanied by various quincy abilities(one which can absorb/steal power) or summoning.
3-B still has almighty so he fate manips and acts accordingly.
 
Wait I thought Yhwach's key was changed to base.

Yhwach stomps Kumagawa 9 ways to hell again. Almighty nulls All Fiction and Bookmaker both, this doesn't solve the problem.
 
Purgy said:
It's a bit vague, but yeah, he kinda did, it was never explained though
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Well, it seems that he still has a short of precognition which made him knows how his fight against Ichibei would end, but it doesnt seems that he was aware of the fight itself, just how it would end
 
TauanVictor said:
Wow, is this a complete stomp then, even on Base?
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Nope, base would probably result in either Yhwach's first move being absorption which is in character depending on setup or Kumagawa going either Book Maker (in character) or All Fiction (OOC depending on setup). Yhwach still resists Book Maker but not All Fiction now.
 
KarematsuShinjuu said:
Nope, base would probably result in either Yhwach's first move being absorption which is in character depending on setup or Kumagawa going either Book Maker (in character) or All Fiction (OOC depending on setup). Yhwach still resists Book Maker but not All Fiction now.
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Changed so.
 
Bernkastelll said:
Aight, so, Yhwach prolly will start with Absorption to try to steal Misogi powers
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Yhwach's first move is probably going to be combat oriented and end up killing Kumagawa instantly, then he'll come back and use book maker (probably). If that happens and Yhwach deems him a threat (he can revert book maker even in base, though it no longer is a passive), then he'll probably resort to absorption maybe via sankt altar or blut vene ahnaben, both of which Kumagawa can All Fiction. Then Kumagawa All Fictions Yhwach.

Yhwach's wincons can be all fictioned and Kumagawa's best one can't be countered
 
Misogi's profile refers to it as "Power Erasure", which isn't what Yhwach does, so not sure how applicable it is

It also doesn't list a justification, so how does it compare to nulling CM Type 2 stuff?
 
What does misogi start off with in character?

Im pretty sure with the massive skill gap yhwach starts by cutting him down destroying his soul, or seeing him as fodder summons soldats or quincy finger beams him.
 
KarematsuShinjuu said:
Yhwach's first move is probably going to be combat oriented and end up killing Kumagawa instantly, then he'll come back and use book maker (probably). If that happens and Yhwach deems him a threat (he can revert book maker even in base, though it no longer is a passive), then he'll probably resort to absorption maybe via sankt altar or blut vene ahnaben, both of which Kumagawa can All Fiction. Then Kumagawa All Fictions Yhwach.
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I mean, all Yhwach attacks targets the soul as well, does Kumagawa even have feats of coming back from soul destruction?
 
Loyd said:
What does misogi start off with in character?

Im pretty sure with the massive skill gap yhwach starts by cutting him down destroying his soul, or seeing him as fodder summons soldats or quincy finger beams him.
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Wait a minute Yhwach can still destroy his soul, welp All Fiction hasn't saved him from that yet
 
YungManzi said:
What was the argument then?
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Soul Hax, Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, Resistance to Causality Manipulation, Resistance to Conceptual Power Reduction, The Almighty, which gaves him resistance to everything that Yhwach passively see in the future, Absorption and Power Absorption, Yhwach can absorb powers of the enemy and also absorbs their body/soul etc
 
YungManzi said:
What was the argument then?
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1. Soul Manipulation: Yhwach has soul manipulation scaling in the trillions and Kumagawa doesn't. Passive hax all bleach characters have is soul crush, which outright kills people if you stand too close. Kumagawa dies even if he's kilometers near Yhwach.
2. Book Maker lower's someone to Kumagawa's level (8-C). Yhwach casually resisted getting his AP lowered to 10-C, at the level of an ant so it won't work.
3. All Fiction uses cause and effect to attack and res him. Yhwach uses his own causality manipulation to absolutely destroy Inoue's conceptual manipulation which is the same as Kumagawa's. He destroys stuff in every possible timeline using his Allmighty, which means he can't resurrect or affect Yhwach.
4. Yhwach can absorb Kumagawa, and All Fiction doesn't stop that as he isn't dead but can't actively activate his ability.
5. He can also destroy his soul via the conventional means.
6. Yhwach to top it all off has 4D AP so can't be touched by Book Maker anyways.

This is the SK absorbed key btw
 
Yhwach can null CM Type 2 stuff, so unless Misogi has feats of resisting power null on that level, he still gets affected
 
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