Yhwach VS Misogi Kumagawa

[Purgy]

I don't think it matters.

Y'know what... Why am I even arguing this? I don't even like Medaka Box.

It completely matters

If Aizen can begin to erase a Shinigami the instant he steps into range whilst having his range limited to a small area around his body, Yhwach can do the same from much further away, his Reiatsu isn't sealed close to his body like Aizen's was.

 

[God900]

In fact, a sincere doubt. Has All-Fiction been shown to affect 4-D?

The range is Universal, I think.

 

[Archinord991]

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

 

[God900]

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

Incon

 

[Purgy]

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

soul crush

 

[TauanVictor]

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

Do you think I didn't think about it?

This matchup has already taken place, considered a stomp for Yhwach.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

I don't think it matters.

It does though?

Y'know what... Why am I even arguing this? I don't even like Medaka Box.

I do (or remember liking it at least, it's been a while) and with soul crush Kumagawa evaporates 100% of the time.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I don't think it matters.

it does, Aizen was with reiatsu sealed around his body

but Aizen without the seals was able to affect the entire city iirc, only few people was still able to resist

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

even if we consider RTZ, Yhwach wins via age while Giorno dies at his 80 due being a human

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

It's quite crowded here, it's a kinda derail, what do you think about Yhwach vs GER?

yay this is the fourth derail

 

[Purgy]

On the topic of GER, apparently incon matches are being changed, so Giorno is gonna lose all his incons and become irrelevant.

 

[TauanVictor]

So does Base Yhwach without Soul Crush lose to Kumagawa?

 

[YungManzi]

Put Yhwach against someone who's abilities he can't conceivably counter so easily.

Like Bloodlusted Medaka or something.

 

[Purgy]

So does Base Yhwach without Soul Crush lose to Kumagawa?

I would say so yeah, though he could still win

 

[TauanVictor]

On the topic of GER, apparently incon matches are being changed

For what reason?

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

So does Base Yhwach without Soul Crush lose to Kumagawa?

...probably? He can still destroy his soul, but if Kumagawa is trigger happy with All Fiction and speed's equalised then he probably wins. He usually isn't, but he can also powernull so yeah.

 

[God900]

Put Yhwach against someone who's abilities he can't conceivably counter so easily.

Like Bloodlusted Medaka or something.

Who said Rick from Instant Death???

 

[TauanVictor]

Put Yhwach against someone who's abilities he can't conceivably counter so easily.

Like Bloodlusted Medaka or something.

Medaka has "Unknown" key.

 

[Delta333]

Put Yhwach against someone who's abilities he can't conceivably counter so easily.

Like Bloodlusted Medaka or something.

Pls no,Medaka vs Yhwach happened like,iirc 5 times before

 

[Loyd]

So does Base Yhwach without Soul Crush lose to Kumagawa?

Likely it depends on kumagawa opening move, but yhwach can still win

 

[TauanVictor]

...probably? He can still destroy his soul, but if Kumagawa is trigger happy with All Fiction and speed's equalised then he probably wins. He usually isn't, but he can also powernull so yeah.

Btw, what would it be like if it were Bloodlusted Yhwach?

 

[Purgy]

For what reason?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/matches-where-neither-side-can-reach-their-win-condition-and-should-they-be-counted-as-inconclusive.122584/

It was accepted apparently, so Giorno's incons should probably be removed.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Btw, what would it be like if it were Bloodlusted Yhwach

Soul destruction GG

 

[Loyd]

Btw, what would it be like if it were Bloodlusted Yhwach?

Hide your kids

 

[YungManzi]

Pls no,Medaka vs Yhwach happened like,iirc 5 times before

Put him against an isekai then. Like the Isekai at Peace MC

 

[TauanVictor]

Likely it depends on kumagawa opening move

If Kumagawa doesn't have a definite starting move, then... Incon?

 

[God900]

Put him against an isekai then

Rick (ID) VS Ywach:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/rick-instant-death-vs-ywach-bleach.124270/

 

[Loyd]

Idk anything about misogi but people are saying he has thought base hax and the haxes if yhwach can't evade seem pretty dangerous so it depends on his in character move but ofc yhwach can also take the W he starts with quincy abilities or close combat, who hits the other first.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Btw, what would it be like if it were Bloodlusted Yhwach?

Actually if it was Bloodlusted Yhwach while Kumagawa might still be able to All Fiction his absorption attempts, he'd just use Genryuusai's bankai whose passives will again passively fry Kumagawa's existence before he can All Fiction.

If Kumagawa doesn't have a definite starting move, then... Incon?

Nah, it's still in character for him to All Fiction attacks which means he'd still win.

 

[Orioreeem]

Put him against an isekai then. Like the Isekai at Peace MC

Shiro protects him so a stomp

 

[TauanVictor]

So can this be closed? It cannot be added, and I think everyone agrees with Misogi's victory.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

How did this get to three pages? Isn't Yhwach stomping kinda foregone? Soul destruction is one of a handful of reliable ways to actual kill Kumagawa.

 

[TauanVictor]

But yeah, although it can't be added, it was fun btw.

 

[TauanVictor]

How did this get to three pages? Isn't Yhwach stomping kinda foregone? Soul destruction is one of a handful of reliable ways to actual kill Kumagawa.

I had to restrict that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

How did this get to three pages?

1 page was a debate
2 page was derailment
3 page was the debate with Base Yhwach being used and soul crush restricted

 

[Bernkastelll]

I had to restrict that.

U didnt restricted soul hax, only soul crush

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

We could say that knowing Ywach's ability, he could do something to prevent being Soul crushed, like eliminating the very concept of his soul, and then All fiction SC

it would work........if all fiction was passive which it aint

if we talking about soul crush (which is passive) it would basically be like: fight starts >> kumagawa dies via soul crush >>> ressurects and dies instantly again

kumagawa has no passive ability that would neg instant death over and over

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

also what is this fight with all the key changes and restrictions? if the fight was unfair after so many changes + restrictions on abilities it will still be unfair in the end

 

[Purgy]

also what is this fight with all the key changes and restrictions? if the fight was unfair after so many changes + restrictions on abilities it will still be unfair in the end

It turned into more of a fun and games thread tbh

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

It turned into more of a fun and games thread tbh

in which case Yhwach wins via his glorious mustache.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

To be frank if Yhwach was bloodlusted or knew it'd work he'd just activate Genryuusai's bankai, which would pretty much do the exact same thing as soul crush.

But yeah I guess Misogi wins with all these restrictions.