Yhwach VS Misogi Kumagawa

[TauanVictor]

Yeah, probably a stomp, but never mind, I think it's going to be fun.

Yhwach VS Misogi Kumagawa​

• Fight Location: Soul Society
• Starting Distance: 50m
• Both in-character
• Equalized speed
• Base Yhwach | End of Series Misogi
• Soul Crush restricted

Yhwach:
Misogi:
Inconclusive:

 

[Purgy]

Soul crush

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Kumagawa comes back because All-Fiction reverses his death. He the All-Fictions' soul crush, then All-Fictions' Yhwach.

 

[Purgy]

Kumagawa comes back because All-Fiction reverses his death. He the All-Fictions' soul crush, then All-Fictions' Yhwach.

He'd be stuck in a death loop

Nothing he has is passive, whereas him dying is passive.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Should Yhwach's Almighty actually overcome All Fiction? He did overcome Inoue's rejection which works pretty similar to All Fiction in mechanics if not scope. Thoughts?

Also due to Soul Crush Kumagawa is going to get killed in the presence of Yhwach instantly every time.

 

[Armerish]

Yeah this sounds like and stomp.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

He doesn't even need to come back within range of Yhwach. He just spawns somewhere else and then nulls him from there.

 

[Purgy]

He doesn't even need to come back within range of Yhwach. He just spawns somewhere else and then nulls him from there.

What's to say that Yhwach doesn't just absorb him after the initial soul crush?

Yhwach's the guy that sees every single possible future at once, so he'd know that Misogi would be planning to do this.

Also, what do you mean by "null" exactly? Yhwach resists CM Type 2 powernull, can Misogi overcome that?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Kumagawa comes back because All-Fiction reverses his death. He the All-Fictions' soul crush, then All-Fictions' Yhwach.

Where did All-Fiction saved him from having his soul destroyed? Also, Yhwach already resist Conceptual Manipulation

 

[Bernkastelll]

So, Misogi has Causality Manipulation (Can erase causes and effects with All Fiction, removed the effects of Zenkichi's kicks and erased all damage received

but Yhwach also resist that.

 

[Purgy]

So, Misogi has Causality Manipulation (Can erase causes and effects with All Fiction, removed the effects of Zenkichi's kicks and erased all damage received

but Yhwach also resist that.

Is his Causality Manipulation 3-D?

 

[Delta333]

Also Yhwach's power null can just negate all of Kumagawa's abilities that try to affect him (which is different with power erasure that Kumagawa resists)

 

[Bernkastelll]

Is his Causality Manipulation 3-D?

Well, his profile only has All Fiction with Universal range, and not Universal+, so, I guess?

 

[Delta333]

Is his Causality Manipulation 3-D?

It is

 

[Purgy]

It is

In that case yeah, Yhwach can either null it or resist it outright

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Also again, Almighty has directly been shown destroying stuff across all timelines, negating Inoue's own Causality Manipulation/Existence Erasure/Rejection. Can Kumagawa resist that?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Also again, Almighty has directly been shown destroying stuff across all timelines, negating Inoue's own Causality Manipulation/Existence Erasure/Rejection. Can Kumagawa resist that?

It's all fiction, book maker and subjective reality
I actually don't see yhwach winning this
And kumagawa can bring any opponent down to his level.
And reatsu crush would only work.once afterwards it is just kumagawa cause and effect and subjective reality

 

[Purgy]

It's all fiction, book maker and subjective reality
I actually don't see yhwach winning this
And kumagawa can bring any opponent down to his level.
And reatsu crush would only work.once afterwards it is just kumagawa cause and effect and subjective reality

Again, Yhwach resists CM powernull by Ichibe, which brought him down to an ants level

Why would Reiatsu Crush only work once? It's passive, Misogi would repeatedly die, and there's nothing stopping Yhwach from absorbing him after the first death.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I actually don't see yhwach winning this
And kumagawa can bring any opponent down to his level.

Proof of Kumagawa bringing a infinitely higher AP (Low 2-C) to his level?

 

[Purgy]

That's true as well

You need to prove Misogi can lower infinite power

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Almighty GG

 

[Bernkastelll]

Again, Yhwach resists CM powernull by Ichibe, which brought him down to an ants level

Oh, yeah, that's true, the scan is also in his profile

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Proof of Kumagawa bringing a infinitely higher AP (Low 2-C) to his level?

That's true as well

You need to prove Misogi can lower infinite power

There is something called Durability negation

 

[Delta333]

It's all fiction, book maker and subjective reality
I actually don't see yhwach winning this
And kumagawa can bring any opponent down to his level.
And reatsu crush would only work.once afterwards it is just kumagawa cause and effect and subjective reality

Ichibei can use EE like all fiction and power null like book maker,and Yhwach negated both,and Kumagawa's subjective reality is most likely useless here since iirc he just summoned a sword lol

 

[Purgy]

Also, as recently accepted, Yhwach can restore his own power, so even if Misogi weakens him down to his level, Yhwach just restores it.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

It's all fiction,

Which Yhwach can negate (See Inoue)

book maker

Which Yhwach can negate (See Ichibe)

and subjective reality

which Yhwach can negate (again see Ichibe)

And reatsu crush would only work.once

why?

 

[Purgy]

There is something called Durability negation

You misunderstood

They're arguing Misogi can lower Yhwach's AP from Low 2-C to 8-B

It's a NLF to assume Misogi can lower infinite AP without feats

 

[Delta333]

I mean,Yhwach can negate statistics reduction and power null so it's impossible for book maker to nerf Yhwach on the same level as Kumagawa

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

You misunderstood

They're arguing Misogi can lower Yhwach's AP from Low 2-C to 8-B

It's a NLF to assume Misogi can lower infinite AP without feats

It's both 3D hax, but Yhwach can still negate it because he restored himself after being brought down to like Tier 11

 

[Purgy]

Now that I'm looking at it

Yhwach is essentially the perfect counter to Misogi

He virtually resists everything he can do

 

[Bernkastelll]

It's both 3D hax, but Yhwach can still negate it because he restored himself after being brought down to like Tier 11

10-C, Ants are 10-C

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

10-C, Ants are 10-C

Sorry didn't know that lol

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

That said, what's stopping Yhwach from absorbing him? Even All Fiction wouldn't bring him back if he wasn't killed yeah?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Can't Yhwach just steal All Fiction power from Misogi?

 

[Purgy]

That said, what's stopping Yhwach from absorbing him? Even All Fiction wouldn't bring him back if he wasn't killed yeah?

Also, apparently All Fiction has no feats of bringing Misogi back from soul destruction

 

[Delta333]

Actually if Orihime couldn't bring back the Soul King via causality manip then Misogi can't return as well,since his regen is also causality based

 

[Purgy]

Can't Yhwach just steal All Fiction power from Misogi?

Not sure, it says Misogi resists "Power Erasure", not sure what that means

But Yhwach does have Sankt Altar which can take powers, he even directly absorbed Ichigo's powers towards the end iirc.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Not sure, it says Misogi resists "Power Erasure", not sure what that means

But Yhwach does have Sankt Altar which can take powers, he even directly absorbed Ichigo's powers towards the end iirc.

Yhwach's power absorption seems to be based on the soul, and Kumagawa doesn't resist soul hax.

 

[KarematsuShinjuu]

Actually if Orihime couldn't bring back the Soul King via causality manip then Misogi can't return as well,since his regen is also causality based

That was because Soul King resists Causality Manip even in death because Ichigo killed the SK not Yhwach.
But that just means All Fiction won't work on Yhwach.

Also Orihime couldn't bring back Ichigo's bankai (which was broken by Yhwach), so Misogi won't be able to come back anyways.

 

[Purgy]

That reminds me, I was going to make a CRT to change Yhwach's "Regeneration Negation" to "Causality Manipulation Negation".