Yhwach Merge Timeframe

[Heavens_Feel]

So, the calculation (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Heavens_Feel/Yhwachs_Merging_of_the_Worlds) was accepted by the majority of calc members but there is some debate on which end to use. Since the blog has died it is very hard to get new comments on it so this seems to be the only way to finally get this done.

Calc members opinions on it so far are also divided.

DMUA is for 5 Minutes

AidenBrooks Prefer 1, maybe 2 minutes.

Please lets have this decided here and wrap things up. the Stall game is lame.

 

[KazuiK]

2 min looks good, 5 minutes is not bad either.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I'll copy paste my comment from here:

Which end would either of you say is more suitable?

You both admit not knowing the full context so I can provide as much as possible as this multiple ends solely depend on which timeframe is accepted, thus I will provide the context of Yhwach (the character performing the feat) and the circumstances he was under as he performed the feat:

Previously before performing the feat, Yhwach had literally been killed by an opponent. He had to use an ability to resurrect himself and immediately aimed to incapacitate the opponent who had killed him. Yhwach even goes so far as to send away the weapon the opponent used to kill him which is an important fact as previously Yhwach used precognition to determine that this weapon was incredibly powerful, so powerful Yhwach manipulated the future to remove the weapon from being used against him.

On top of this, this opponent immediately went after Yhwach despite severely injured from a previous fight all due to the fact that they feared Yhwach destroying the 3 worlds before stopping him. It is notable as the person that could have healed this opponent was Orihime, a character who could heal mutilated limbs in seconds or restore a character's entire upper torso after having been vaporized.

Despite all this, there were still other enemies of Yhwach coming to stop him at this time, including Uryu. Uryu being a character that Yhwach had admitted possessed a power beyond his ow and it was even revealed that Uryu's power was a potential counter to Yhwach's own power.


If this does not suffice we can always compare this feat to a previous feat of a weaker version of Yhwach when he had moved a large mass in a short time-frame over incredibly large distances:

We have an accepted calc of a weaker version of Yhwach lifting a large country sized mass in a short timeframe over a large distance. We can compare these two directly:

The scene of Yhwach lifting the Wandenreich is a feat of lifting a large country's worth of mass across 88,000 kilometers in 10 seconds. Yhwach merging the planets is a feat of moving 3 planet's mass across 6,900 kilometers in a minute, a couple minutes or 5 minutes.

6,900 kilometers vs 88,000 kilometers. (He lifted the Wandenreich nearly 13 times further)

3 planet masses vs a large country mass. (The planet masses are much larger)

1, 2 or 5 minutes vs 10 seconds. (He literally lifted the Wandenreich in seconds)

So lifting a large country's mass in 10 seconds across 88,000 kilometers as compared to Yhwach moving 3 planets in 1, 2 or 5 minutes across just 6,900 kilometers.


So in conclusion, we know Yhwach was in a hurry and was in the middle of fighting a dangerous opponent and on the verge of other dangerous opponent's coming to join the fight while also having a comparable feat that occurred in a short timeframe.

So which timeframe would either of you deem more suitable?

More context can be found here if need be.


I will copy paste that context now:

>This means literally nothing, just because a character uses something in a few seconds in one scene doesn't justify timeframes across others., context does.

The scene of Yhwach lifting the Wandenreich is an example that Yhwach is capable of lifting large masses over large distances in short time. For a comparison, the lifting of the Wandenreich is a feat of lifting a large country's worth of mass across 88,000 kilometers in 10 seconds. Yhwach merging the planets is a feat of moving 3 planet's mass across 6,900 kilometers in a minute, a couple minutes or 5 minutes.

6,900 kilometers vs 88,000 kilometers.

3 planet masses vs a large country mass.

1, 2 or 5 minutes vs 10 seconds.


>Based on what exactly? Yhwach had just got done absorbing Aizen and Ichigo had no way to beat him, he had all the time in the world.

This is completely wrong. Yhwach was threatened and in a rush. Previously before this Yhwach had literally been killed by Ichigo and had deemed Ichigo's Bankai an incredibly threat to himself which is proven when the Bankai one-shots Yhwach. Also, there still existed opponents that opposed Yhwach that would be coming.


>Except there's absolutely no way that you can prove he didn't, because the feat never happened, and so the timeframe is based on nothing.

As a staff member you should know better than most that trying to shift burden of proof via proving a negative is not an actual argument. My rebuttal is now: "There's absolutely no way that you can prove he did." See? Asinine. However, it is not unfounded as it's based on Yhwach's intentions and actions off of the previous display of the world's merging. An assumption, the only one of the calc.


>It isn't, you're also assuming it's at the same distance as the movie,

Forgive us for using a canon display of a distance between two of the worlds. It's a lowball as well, there's nothing wrong here, you should be grateful it uses an actual displayed canon distance and not something entirely unfounded.


>hell you're literally assuming Yhwach is moving the planets together which doesn't even make sense because he was using his black goo stuff which he doesn't use for TK

You mean Reiatsu that he was spreading across the worlds that weren't moving the worlds but causing destruction... Please at least understand the context of the feat before trying to blatantly downplay it.


>there's nothing that proves he was going to destroy them using TK and not another power, especially since he's never shown to affect entire planets with his TK.

Now this is stupid. Yhwach has only ever used TK to move mass, whether they are small or large.


1) Yhwach uses TK to obliterate Ichibei.


2) Yhwach uses TK to push Yoruichi away.


3) Yhwach uses TK to push Ichigo away.


4) Yhwach uses TK to lift the Wandenreich and then uses TK to build Wahrwelt.


>Except the world didn't immediately begin merging, at all, no visual or statement proves this, all Kisuke said was that the worlds WOULD merge, no indication of how quick or that it would happen instantly.

Again, you should really try to understand the context of the feat before making blatantly incorrect claims like this. We are given several statements that the worlds are going to end now (which is done through merging) as well as several visuals displaying that the worlds are merging.

1) Yhwach stating that Soul Society is now going to end (done through mergin) upon the Soul King's death and we see a crack among Seireitei's walls.

2) An earthquak occuring on Earth after the Soul King's death.

3) A statement that the Soul Society is going to disappear with visuals of the earthquak occurring as well as structures being damaged.

4) Urahara stating that the worlds are now going to be destroyed with a visual of a ravine cracking upon Soul Society.

5) Yhwach stating that with the Soul King gone the worlds are now going to be gone.

6) Earthquakes and large structural damage across all 3 of the worlds.

Yeah, you're completely in the wrong here. We have direct statements and visuals that the worlds are ending and under catastrophe which is only occuring because the Soul King is dead and no longer keeping the worlds apart, thus they are merging back. The cause of the catastrophe.


>I could continue to go through each of your points but i'm just saying, this calc is flat out wrong.

You should because you currently don't have a point.

1) You thought the distance was unfounded when it's based on a canon display of the distance between two of the worlds. You were wrong, and it's a lowball.

2) You thought Yhwach wasn't using TK when Yhwach has only ever used TK to move things. You were wrong.

3) You thought the worlds didn't immediately begin merging upon the Soul King's death since there were no statements nor visuals. You were wrong, we had several statements the worlds were ending from different sources and several visuals of catastrophe occurring over all 3 worlds.

4) You thought Yhwach wouldn't be rushed which is also wrong given Yhwach had literally been killed right before by something he himself deemed deadly to himself which was proven when it killed him.

There is currently nothing wrong with the calc:

It uses a canon lowball distance, the ability used to do it is a consistent ability Yhwach uses to move things and the timeframe is based on context of the verse (Yhwach was in a rush and he moved a previous large, albeit smaller, mass in seconds) but assuming a minute to minutes.

 

[M11UTD]

It should be faster with Yhwach accelerating the destruction than the normal worlds collapse that happens via the death of the SK, I'd go with the 1 minute but I'm also fine with the mid end.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Either 1 or 2 minutes should be accepted. 5 minutes doesn't make much sense given the context of the story.

 

[Ovy7]

From the reasons above and all I'll say 2 minutes is good, for now.

 

[Antvasima]

You should ask some calc group members to comment here, including the ones that were involved previously.

 

[AppleLord]

Thr distance is not usuable. Both worlds exist in different dimensions, the distance in the movie was possible because of a portal opening.

But for the timeframe-the previous SK used Almighty, Yhwach can use Almighty in an instant, Yhwach said that the arrow stopped his powers for an instant, and Ichigo killed him before the instant. So use the lowest timeframe.=