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Yhwach is not planet level

Umm, he's not planet level,l that's why we rated him as 6-A, possibly 5-B, keyword possibly meaning that there's a chance but we don't know for certain......
 
@Quincy King

Hmm, i dont see how Yhwach could even possibly be planet level when all the SK does is regulate the traffic of souls.
 
Simply view it like this everything you've stated is speculation.

Soul King maintains the 4 realms which are likely planet size and one of them is confirmed to be planet size and we can possibly conclude that he needs to have at least planet level+ energy inside his body for maintaining the existence of the realms. And I have several other theories as well...

Maintaining a realm is equal to providing the energy to maintain it from your body in most cases as such the Soul King can be Planet Level but this is pure specualtion but it's still very possible.

I have a ton of other theories but those are still speculation as well but they're still very possible as such the possibly planet level stats are staying until we get confirmation on all this...
 
Actually, the Soul King was stated to have been created by the Soul Society. This means that before his existence, there was nothing wrong with the balance between the different realms. His "death" was seemingly just an effect that was created alongside him.
 
I could see why someone would say that, but the fact that his apparent sole reason for existing is to regulate souls and keep it stable, it really seems like his death is just the aftereffect that was placed when he was created. You don't necessarily need to have the energy required for something like an aftereffect.
 
Keeping something stable = providing the energy to keep it stable in most cases like these...

And arguing won't slove anything here. Anything is possible as shuch the only thing needed to do here is wait....
 
Haha who's arguing? I was simply stating that something like an aftereffect really can't be measured so high especially since things were fine before he existed. I believe that the Soul King does have a considerable amount of power though.
 
Me .It's never stated that things were fine before he existed. That's the whole reason why he was created just to maintain all the realms from collapsing...
 
@SchutzenDunkelZiel1217

The SK was created by the Soul Society to quell the chaos created by the traffic of souls. The "realms" existed before the SK, as Yhwach said without the SK the "realms" will change back to what they were like before the SK existed.. All the SK did was regulate the traffic of souls, when the SK died, he was no longer regulating the traffic & the chaos which the SK quelled returned. This in no way makes the SK planet level.

The realms exited before the SK, so the should be fine without the SK.
 
the way I see it yhwach is planet level when he dies. because then everythink gets destroyed. its like his death is a power blast
 
@Bleachfu

But the fact is, Yhwachs death would not do that, it would simply result in the trafic of souls no longer being regulated, and the chaos which resulted from the unregulated souls returning

@SchutzenDunkelZiel1217

That doesn't make sense because the SK was created by the Soul Society, also long before the Soul Society existed their were the balancers, whome regulated the souls much like the SK.

Fact is SK is not planet level, so Yhwach is not planet level
 
maybe there was a old soul king and he was dying and they made this new one. and you cant say him dying would not destroy the world when the last one died the earth was shaking
 
Guys come on, lets just wait till Bleach is over before having this argument as it should be ending soon. All will be explained in time (I hope). On a side note, using Yhwach's "possibly 5B" rating as an excuse to win battles should be a no no for now, at least until he shows feats of that level or we get other indications of him being that powerful.
 
It clearly says that everything will crumble in the same way if the realms go back to their former existence. Their former existence could be just nothing everything blown up to oblivion.

The Soul King was and is alive. He was stripped of his own power and put there by the shinigami to keeping him alive and to continue to hold the dimensions because they realize that if they kill him everything was going to end.

Is the same page on different translations and it still says the same. Meaning that the Shinigami trap him inside the crystal, he was not created. Yes the stated in which he was inside that crystal that was what the shinigami created and this was said after Yhwach said that,

See here: http://********.me/manga/bleach/v68/c621/11.html

See here: http://www.**********.com/bleach/621/8

Even Yhwach said that his "Will" can be transplanted into his limbs.

The Soul King's sole purpose is to regulate the flow of souls into and out of Soul Society and keep the flow stable. Without the Soul King, the balance is lost and everything that is linked to Soul Society or made in it, as well as the Dangai, Hueco Mundo and the Human World will fall apart.

Everything in the Bleach World has a Soul even object in the World of the Living. The Fullbring (Full Manifestation Art) enables them to manipulate the souls contained within the matter. Everything, even rudimentary objects such as lampposts and chairs possess a soul, however small. By using their power to "pull" on this soul, can manipulate the object's movement or even alter its physical characteristics.

For example, Fullbringers could have a beverage assist them in drinking it by pulling on its soul, drawing it into their mouth. Likewise, by pulling on the soul of water, Fullbringers can walk across its surface without falling through.

Many more feats are possible, making the technique highly versatile. Unlike other spiritual beings, Fullbringers use their power with their physical bodies. Because of this, they must train extensively to build up their stamina so they can use it properly.

The Soul King is the "linchpin" and if that linchpin is lost, then the world would simply crumble away and that is the way of the world.

The Soul King's power manipulates the Reishi in all of the dimensions meaning he has to have high quantities of Reiryoku to keep the dimension's stable. Also, Jugram explains that the dimensions wouldn't maintain themselves without Yhwach power. Meaning his power must be as strong as the matter and reishi need to hold the dimension;s together.

You just can't have a cat put there as a button to fire a bomb if he doesn't' have the strength to push the button.
 
So far the links you have provided have only stated that the realms would become unstable and they would revert to their original form.

As for guiding and stabilizing energy, it depends on the form of energy and how efficient the process is in order to determine how much is needed to do so.

Either way, Yhwach's level is still unknown for now.
 
Their original form has to go with the complete destruction of each one before they return to their original self.

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-615.0/compressed/c013.jpg

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-615.0/compressed/c016.jpg

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-615.0/compressed/c020.jpg

Is it me or you do the one's arguing about the "reverting to their original form" need their eyes check? When it clearly says there Everything will crumble in the same way.

Yeah, is at least Planet level until we can measure all the dimensions and upgrade him.

Their original form was nothing, like in the beginning there was nothing before the big bang.
 
Yeah, it was when the Soul King was alive and walking around with all of his limbs. How do you think he had a son? The Soul King is not a Shinigami.

He was stripped of his own power and put there by the shinigami, keeping him alive to continue to hold the dimensions together. Because they realize that if they kill him everything was going to end.

See here: http://********.me/manga/bleach/v68/c621/11.html

See here: http://www.**********.com/bleach/621/8

The Shinigami trapped the Soul King inside the crystal, he was not created.

Yes, they created the stated in which the Soul King was inside that crystal.

That was what the shinigami create not the Soul king himself.

If they would have created the Soul King himself, how can the limbs have his "Will" like Yhwach stated to Mimigahi.

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-616.0/compressed/o006.jpg

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-617.0/compressed/h012.jpg

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-617.0/compressed/h013.jpg

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/68-618.0/compressed/p012.jpg

The Soul King is a being. He is not a thing created by Soul Society. They only created his present stated. We are still waiting for his flashback to explain why was he put there along with Yhwach flashback.
 
so true I get it and he must be planet level because we know the earth size. the soul king keeps all the worlds together and to keep some think together you must be the same level or stronger. like it I cut a apple in half I can hold them together because im stronger. but if a big rock was braking Im not stronger then a big ass rock so it would fall and kill me and that's how it works with the soul king. you need to be the same strength as some think to hold it like did you guy not know that. and I know he does not use his hands. he use his reiatsu or what ever to hold it that's his power.
 
@Bleachfu Show me a scan where it's stated that the SK actually holds the worlds together, all he does is regulate the traffic of souls
 
DC52 said:
@Bleachfu Show me a scan where it's stated that the SK actually holds the worlds together, all he does is regulate the traffic of souls
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Actually, DC is right. He regulates the souls... He doesn't "hold worlds together".
 
Bleachfun said:
ok you want prove ok jump to part 29:32 it says with out the soul king it would fall apart that's your prove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0jHmaoH_r8
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"Without the existence of the Soul King, the Soul Society would split into pieces. The Soul King is the keystone to it all. Without that keystone in place the system would fall apart." Is all that point of the video states relevant to the topic, he only mentions Soul Society as a system, and with the information we have this would mean the guidance of souls to SS. However as Soul Society is formed of souls this may also cause the Soul King to form structure with them.

As for your claim: "to keep some think (sic) together you must be the same level or stronger. like it I (sic) cut a (sic) apple in half I can hold them (sic) together because im (sic) stronger. but (sic) if a big rock was braking (sic) Im (sic) not stronger then (sic) a big ass rock so it would fall and kill me and that's how it works with the soul (sic) king (sic)."

So by your logic if you had a pile of sand in the shape of an apple and it started to crumple you would be able to hold its form together perfectly because you're stronger than that right?

As I said before, assuming this is true the level of energy needed to maintain or guide energy can vary from being very inefficient (my example above) to very efficient like the examples here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs


Ryuuzakiscorpio said:
They know it, they just can't accepted without having Michael Bay involve in the movie somehow, I mean manga. xD
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People aren't opposed to Yhwach being planet level if he does something of that caliber in the Manga. Skepticism =/= denial.
 
CyberGhost42 said:
Bleachfun said:
ok you want prove ok jump to part 29:32 it says with out the soul king it would fall apart that's your prove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0jHmaoH_r8
Click to expand...
"Without the existence of the Soul King, the Soul Society would split into pieces. The Soul King is the keystone to it all. Without that keystone in place the system would fall apart." Is all that point of the video states relevant to the topic, he only mentions Soul Society as a system, and with the information we have this would mean the guidance of souls to SS. However as Soul Society is formed of souls this may also cause the Soul King to form structure with them.
As for your claim: "to keep some think (sic) together you must be the same level or stronger. like it I (sic) cut a (sic) apple in half I can hold them (sic) together because im (sic) stronger. but (sic) if a big rock was braking (sic) Im (sic) not stronger then (sic) a big ass rock so it would fall and kill me and that's how it works with the soul (sic) king (sic)."

So by your logic if you had a pile of sand in the shape of an apple and it started to crumple you would be able to hold its form together perfectly because you're stronger than that right?

As I said before, assuming this is true the level of energy needed to maintain or guide energy can vary from being very inefficient (my example above) to very efficient like the examples here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs


Ryuuzakiscorpio said:
They know it, they just can't accepted without having Michael Bay involve in the movie somehow, I mean manga. xD
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People aren't opposed to Yhwach being planet level if he does something of that caliber in the Manga. Skepticism =/= denial.
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OH MY GOD! THE GUYS A FRICKIN' GENIUS! DUDE! THANK YOU!
 
Thanking for what he didn't debunked current info, he just stated what Urahara said 2 years ago. Which his whole theory is wrong thanks to the news info.
 
Ryuuzakiscorpio said:
Thanking for what he didn't debunked current info, he just stated what Urahara said 2 years ago. Which his whole theory is wrong thanks to the news info.
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What theory?

I just observed the argument and pointed out the flaws in the context that it was given.
 
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