I already proved it since monsters become weaker when they are mentally bad or don't want to engage in a fight. Papyrus is a example his stats are worse than his other route versions because it spares us at the beginning since he doesnt want to fight us. Asgore is depressed while undyen was determined.
I already disproved the Papyrus evidence, thus this is irrelevant. Asgore is weaker, and you couldn't possibly prove his war version is stronger.
His mental state does not change the stats we see in the menu.
The entire text below the word "evidently", stop breaking my argument in pieces to pretend I didn't say anything.
That was not her peak. Toriel was holding back massively against us and didn't want to fight against us proving my point
How cna you see her stats after sparing her? After you spare her the fight ends? What??
Papyrus stats are lower in genocide since he doesnt want to fight and spares us but his stats are stronger in the others since he actually fights.
Asgore is already depressed as ****.
This doesn't respond to anything I said.
Yes, that was her peak. Her 80 DEF was her peak, even though she was using a much lesser amount of DEF, she was getting massively harmed by a 5 ATK hit, that is evidence that the 80 DEF we see in the menu is not her current defense, but rather her peak which she is not using. You can't explain this otherwise.
You can see her stats after convincing her to stop fighting. When she's giving the speech about letting you go, you can go over her stats and check to see they're still intact even though her mental state changed. This is evidence that Boss Monsters stats are not displayed based on mental state. (they do change, Frisk just can't check it)
Papyrus' stats are in fact, lower in the neutral route and pacifist routes as well. Before the fight actually begins, before the blue attack, his stats are lower.
Then when he fights for real, they get higher.
His mental states directly affected the displayed stats. This doesn't happen to boss monsters as seen with Toriel and Asgore.
By eating the pie, the game says his defense and attack power is dropped. Yet, if we check his stats again, they are unchanged.
Mind you, he does get weaker in actuality. What I think is happening here is that Frisk's ability to measure their opponent's power level is ineffective against boss monsters due to their soul being stronger, making them only see their opponent's absolute best even though they're weaker.
Never did.
Asgore holds back + being hard doesnt mean more skilled. By that logic sans is more skilled than undyne.
He is. Due to arsenal, but still, he is.
So you have to prove Asgore is superior in skill, then. Yes, being harder means Undyne is more skilled, it takes more skill to defeat her than it takes to defeat Asgore.
Because...he is asgore? Its literally in the stroy that he is superior to undynes base by A LOT.
That's appeal to authority.
Undyne the Undying is a transformation never seen before, she and Asgore never interacted, the fact Asgore is superior to
base Undyne doesn't mean anything.
Prove he is stronger than her undying form.
It's like saying someone is stronger than Super Saiyan Goku because they're stronger than Base. No.
Once again comparing a Depressed wanting to die man vs Undynes new buffed form filled with determination is not fair.
It is. Because the stats displayed are not what he is using, it's his hypothetical peak.
