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Asriel has a content revision currently soo I'll wait for that.
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Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)
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Goku has the AP advantageVideogamer1265 said:
Also why are we assuming that Asriel is going to be acting exactly as he was when he was Flowey? In game he toys with Frisk, hard. It's not out there for a character to act differently than a previous form/incarnation.
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@cal 1. Fate stated the opposite, I'm neutral on who to believe.
2. Goku can without a doubt bust the multiverse. He scales above Base Demigra who, with his regular old Ki was destroying the multiverse. Goku has >>> amounts of Ki and comparable, if not superior amounts of Ki control.
Not to mention that all of Space-Time would be affected by Goku turning Super Saiyan 4, and that's why he was hesitant to use it.
2. Goku can without a doubt bust the multiverse. He scales above Base Demigra who, with his regular old Ki was destroying the multiverse. Goku has >>> amounts of Ki and comparable, if not superior amounts of Ki control.
Not to mention that all of Space-Time would be affected by Goku turning Super Saiyan 4, and that's why he was hesitant to use it.
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I'm 99.999% sure Demigra wasn't going to Frieza the multiverse at any point in XV or Heroes.
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Frisk gets toyed with for a very specific reason.Hst master said:
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Frisk gets toyed with, but when he becomes anywhere near a treat he gets nuked to oblivion.
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Multiverse level (Absorbed Tokitoki, whose eggs can hatch into an entire timeline and can control time. Was stated to have control over all of time and all of space upon absorbing him. Demigra was going to use the power of Tokitoki in order to create his own timeline after destroying all previous ones via the Time Vault)The real cal howard said:
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Did you miss the "via the Time Vault" part?
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"Multiverse level (Absorbed Tokitoki, whose eggs can hatch into an entire timeline and can control time. Was stated to have control over all of time and all of space upon absorbing him. Demigra was going to use the power of Tokitoki in order to create his own timeline after destroying all previous ones via the Time Vault)"The real cal howard said:
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In Heroes not only does he threaten to destroy the entire multiverse, his apprentice Chamel with Demigra's leftover power almost does so as well.The real cal howard said:
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Just like to say I'm very proud that a thread of mine has gotten this much attention. It feels good 
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The bolded part was to show that he was going to destroy it, the "having control over all space and time" are what give him the range, IIRC.The real cal howard said:
Also, did you miss his other forms AP's descriptions?
Multiverse level (Was going to destroy the timeline the Time Patrol were in. Helped create the Demon Realm and was causing the collapse of the DBH world and Beat's world) | Multiverse level (Was a threat to the entire DBH Multiverse and was about to erase the history of the entire world.)
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Yeah, not much I can say besides Asriel FRA.
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Nice oneTheArsenal1212 said:Just like to say I'm very proud that a thread of mine has gotten this much attention. It feels good
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He does and can win, it's just more likely Asriel takes itWokistan said:
If Goku seals first he wins
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He toys with frisk up until he uses Hyper Goner and turns into his True Form.Saikou The Lewd King said:
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Thanks mate
Thanks mate
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When he's already sealed? He'd need a feat proving that.Wokistan said:
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What would be the purpose of sealing if it didn't get rid of the opponent? Sealing something is when you locked someone/thing in a place or thing and don't let it escape.Wokistan said:
And again, I'm pretty sure you would need a feat showing that because that sounds like an NLF.
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Debunked here (unless we somehow do consider Goku can't do something that a character leagues below him can when in DB power levels define the cans and can'ts for pretty much everything):The real cal howard said:
"Post multiverse destruction"... ...because SAVE creates a new timeline. Then he loads to it. I already pointed this. If he gets blasted alongside them all at the moment of death, it's game.
And Goku does have the range but if it turns out he can't Multiverse bust then yeah, too bad.
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Most opponents can't exactly rewind time on a whim. As the sealing hasn't displayed power null qualities, I don't think it's nlf to day that asriel can load even while stuck in a bottle.
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He doesn't even need the sealing. Burden of proof is utterly on the argument that says Asriel doesn't die if all Timelines are busted along with him.
His timeline-reliant resurrection doesn't suddenly equal High Godly Regenerationn on Tier 2 levels. Like at all.
Unless you show Asriel surviving being busted along with his entire multiverse and coming back from it without any timeline existing, yes, he dies from it.
His timeline-reliant resurrection doesn't suddenly equal High Godly Regenerationn on Tier 2 levels. Like at all.
Unless you show Asriel surviving being busted along with his entire multiverse and coming back from it without any timeline existing, yes, he dies from it.
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This is starting to remind me of the situation in that Arceus vs Khorne thread where people were saying "But can Khorne kill Arceus?" until Azathoth went and said "The actual question is Khorne divides him in half with a XBAUGHS HUEG sword at a conceptual level. Show evidence that he doesn't die from it."
...It's more or less the same here, albeit without the conceptual yada yada.
Show evidence that Asriel can come back from a multiversal nuke that busts him along with all possible backups, then the argument counts.
...It's more or less the same here, albeit without the conceptual yada yada.
Show evidence that Asriel can come back from a multiversal nuke that busts him along with all possible backups, then the argument counts.
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Just going from the concept of saving and loading, if you don't have a save file, then you can't load shit.
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Pretty much. SAVE/LOAD works much more like a mix of type 8 and Resurrection reliant on pre-existent timelines created prior to death or mid-battle.
...If it allowed people to come back from no timeline whatsoever and had any possible feats of allowing its users to come back post total multiversal obliteration along with themselves (unless it's Absolute Chara because lolAbstraction/lolreliantOnTheAnomaly's_PlayersDT), Asriel would straight up have High-Godly Regen in his profile by now since that would mean the ability really doesn't recquire anything else to work. The tiers of the verse in itself are where they are because we consider SAVE files = timelines. You bust them all along the user, no Loading is happening because there's nothing there nor any point in time to LOAD to.
Thus, unless evidence and a feat comes along for such an implied level of survivability, this point is moot. Either someone shows Asriel coming back from being destroyed alongside his multiverse and the very things he needs to use for resurrection, or he can't.
I should also mention that Asriel doesn't abuse SAVE/LOAD anywhere near as much as he's given credit for. He does not weaponize it like Omega Flowey at all.
In fact, though his files are there, he doesn't spam SAVE/LOAD scumming anywhere. Even less than that: He doesn't use it once throughout the entire fight as far as I can remember. Soul Absorption is the same thing. He only used it to reach his current form and never again. So, while my own point said "Goku will eventually nuke once he runs out of options/after seeing reset happen" , Asriel's isn't likely to be pulling any hax barrage on Goku out of nowhere from the get-go either.
...If it allowed people to come back from no timeline whatsoever and had any possible feats of allowing its users to come back post total multiversal obliteration along with themselves (unless it's Absolute Chara because lolAbstraction/lolreliantOnTheAnomaly's_PlayersDT), Asriel would straight up have High-Godly Regen in his profile by now since that would mean the ability really doesn't recquire anything else to work. The tiers of the verse in itself are where they are because we consider SAVE files = timelines. You bust them all along the user, no Loading is happening because there's nothing there nor any point in time to LOAD to.
Thus, unless evidence and a feat comes along for such an implied level of survivability, this point is moot. Either someone shows Asriel coming back from being destroyed alongside his multiverse and the very things he needs to use for resurrection, or he can't.
I should also mention that Asriel doesn't abuse SAVE/LOAD anywhere near as much as he's given credit for. He does not weaponize it like Omega Flowey at all.
In fact, though his files are there, he doesn't spam SAVE/LOAD scumming anywhere. Even less than that: He doesn't use it once throughout the entire fight as far as I can remember. Soul Absorption is the same thing. He only used it to reach his current form and never again. So, while my own point said "Goku will eventually nuke once he runs out of options/after seeing reset happen" , Asriel's isn't likely to be pulling any hax barrage on Goku out of nowhere from the get-go either.
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To make a long story short: If anyone wants to say "I still think Asriel wins/pulls his stuff before the worst happens and manages to win", that's fine by me. Me voting Goku doesn't mean I'm saying Asriel can't win, just that I think X scenario is more likely to happen before Y.
The thing I'm arguing against is how the ability of SAVE/LOAD is being overhyped by a wide margin and treated as capable of things that go 100% against and beyond the mechanics of the ability itself.
The thing I'm arguing against is how the ability of SAVE/LOAD is being overhyped by a wide margin and treated as capable of things that go 100% against and beyond the mechanics of the ability itself.
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Sounds like a pretty valid debunk.
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Infinitely above 2-B Asriel > limited Goku 2-B.
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What Dragon quoted. If Asriel was the one with the massive AP advantage instead of the contrary I'd have claimed stomp instead of arguing Goku, since if that was the case he wouldn't have anything going for him.
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Not really sure why Goku bypasses SAVE and LOAD by acausality when there's no past being changed. Like John clarified, the past is now the new present as it has been reset back to that point, more or less. I am not sure this even falls under a paradox by any means, does it? I don't believe so.
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Yeah, that kind of confused me. So if a SAVE creates a new timeline and LOAD just takes Asriel to that timeline, then wouldn't the timeline where Goku killed Asriel still exist?
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Asking the people more knowledgeable on Undertale or this kind of thing in general would be best.
Also, no, I am very far away from believing Goku would "destroy" Asriel's save file even if he could remember, unless someone could explain his information analysis so he knows what the heck is even happening.
Also, no, I am very far away from believing Goku would "destroy" Asriel's save file even if he could remember, unless someone could explain his information analysis so he knows what the heck is even happening.
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It tells Goku all the moves of the target.
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And what they do or how it works?
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Yeah im sorry but this Information Analysis is really starting to sound like a big NLF.
That said, I made a thread for it if any of you want to discuss it there.
That said, I made a thread for it if any of you want to discuss it there.
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