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would abstract fundemental consider concept if the story use it litrally?
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its just law hax
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yes, but
why wouldnt it be concept?
(i have the same problem if the story uses word like death itself and such
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Yeah, I think so anyone who can effect it should get CM2 and if there is more context on principle being independent of it governs then it can be CM 1for the detail, i'm asking about the picture below, would someone that affect principles, truth and law here having concept manipulation?
im not an expert on this so, help?
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Concepts, as we treat them, shape what they are the concept of. The concept of apples governs all apples and their forms, and all apples are made according to the concept of apples as well, so without it, there would be no apples.
What is described in that image are laws, why an apple falls, and why water turns into clouds, it does not govern why the moon and sun are what they are, it simply governs that it rises and falls. Although reality would probably break if those laws disappear, a bottle of water would still be a bottle of water, if that makes sense.
What is described in that image are laws, why an apple falls, and why water turns into clouds, it does not govern why the moon and sun are what they are, it simply governs that it rises and falls. Although reality would probably break if those laws disappear, a bottle of water would still be a bottle of water, if that makes sense.
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Godsatoshi23
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Wouldn't it be CM 2 since it said to be govern the world and by seeing image I think it can also change it?
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They're saying its the laws itself that govern the world. Like why an apple falls is because of the law of gravity. It would be him being able to affect the Laws of gravity so just Law Manipulation. Like what Spaceman said, reality would break if these laws disappear but they're not actually affecting the concept
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And on the subject of gravity manipulation, if a character has full control over the "law of universal gravitation" would that fit as gravity's CM 2?
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I'm talking about another verse in case
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The context here refers explicitly to laws, not concepts as the paragraph below indicates.
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Laws governs the world (the universe to be precise) by default.
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The law of universal gravitation is what defines what gravity is, and without it gravity would not exist.
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Exactly, being the Idea behind something fundamental is what defines our CM standards
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Wouldn't she actually be non-existent?
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Conceptual manipulation isn't really much better than law manipulation anyways tbh. This stuff is just overhyped.
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In matter of fact (fun fact) we don't even know if gravity actually exists.
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If the verse shows that the very idea of the "laws of universal gravitation" are the origin of gravity within the verse then can this be considered CM 1 or 2? The law of universal gravitation is also described as one of the powers of truth in the world
