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I was without my computer for a while, but tomorrow I'll see if I can post some calculations
Some New speed feat?
Some New speed feat?
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Wolfenstein (MachineGames) Discussion Thread
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Unfortunately no.
Blazkowicz can easily dodge rockets even from up close (at least subsonic+)
And we have a speed feat which needs to get calced. It's when Lothar shoot the Terror Twins from the elevator. I am gonna guess that might end up transonic.
This is it. Altough i did a mistake and said 425 m/s, it should be 350 m/s.
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New abillities for BJ Blazkowicz (MachineGames)
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Base BJ Blazkowicz (The New Order and The Old Blood)
-Resistance to Paralysis Inducement:
Blazkowicz can resist the effects of Bubi's toxin which according to him can paralyse an elephant.
-Resistance to electricity:
Managed to break free from his restraints while being electrocuted (it is also worth noting that he got poured by water just prior before being electrocuted)
-Pain Tolerance Type 1:
I am gonna use the examples above.
In the first scan regarding the resistance to Paralysis Inducement. He was tortured with a knife that ended up being lodged in his chest. Just to casually take it out and kill Bubi. Then continue without any real problem.
In the second scan, he was being electrocuted while having a pipe lodged in his leg. He proceeds to take the pipe hurt Rudi Jager and kill his dog, then right afterwards proceeded to kill a large group of Nazis.
Took multiple stabs and slashes, got thrown into an incinerator with the knife loged in his chest. He proceeds to take the knife out and continue normally.
-Electricity and magnetism (via Tesla Grenade and Laserkraftwerk)
Tesla grenade releases an EMP blast upon explosion causing any electricity based machinery to malfunction for a short time:
A Laserkraftwerk with the Tesla upgrade can do the same thing.
The description goes like this:
This unit alters the beam's frequency to affect any mechanical targets close to its path.
Tesla grenades can magnetically pull themselves towards and stick to a metalic enemy.
(i know the scan is pretty shit, i couldn't find a proper video to show the abillity off, i would record it myself since i have the game but i can't do it since i only have it on Ps4, should be getting it on pc soon tho)
The only other thing i can add until i get a proper scan is that the offical description mentions the magnetism:
"A hand grenade with a high explosive EMP charge for taking out multiple enemies and creating diversions. Its magnetically charged casing will stick to nearby mechanical enemies and temporarily disable them. Remember to stay out of the grenade's blast range. Its name refers to Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American inventor and electrical engineer best known for his contributions to the design of modern AC power systems."
-Light Manipulation (via Laserkraftwerk)
Blazkowicz can blind Nazis with Laserkraftwerk when he has the strobe upgrade, here is a description of the upgrade:
The Strobe upgrade: When firing the weapon, this attachment produces a blinding flash of light which temporarily disorients any target facing it.
I will do a list for Wolfenstein II later (Da'at Yichud Power suit and Super Soldier body)
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Base BJ Blazkowicz (The New Order and The Old Blood)
-Resistance to Paralysis Inducement:
Blazkowicz can resist the effects of Bubi's toxin which according to him can paralyse an elephant.
-Resistance to electricity:
Managed to break free from his restraints while being electrocuted (it is also worth noting that he got poured by water just prior before being electrocuted)
-Pain Tolerance Type 1:
I am gonna use the examples above.
In the first scan regarding the resistance to Paralysis Inducement. He was tortured with a knife that ended up being lodged in his chest. Just to casually take it out and kill Bubi. Then continue without any real problem.
In the second scan, he was being electrocuted while having a pipe lodged in his leg. He proceeds to take the pipe hurt Rudi Jager and kill his dog, then right afterwards proceeded to kill a large group of Nazis.
Took multiple stabs and slashes, got thrown into an incinerator with the knife loged in his chest. He proceeds to take the knife out and continue normally.
-Electricity and magnetism (via Tesla Grenade and Laserkraftwerk)
Tesla grenade releases an EMP blast upon explosion causing any electricity based machinery to malfunction for a short time:
A Laserkraftwerk with the Tesla upgrade can do the same thing.
The description goes like this:
This unit alters the beam's frequency to affect any mechanical targets close to its path.
Tesla grenades can magnetically pull themselves towards and stick to a metalic enemy.
(i know the scan is pretty shit, i couldn't find a proper video to show the abillity off, i would record it myself since i have the game but i can't do it since i only have it on Ps4, should be getting it on pc soon tho)
The only other thing i can add until i get a proper scan is that the offical description mentions the magnetism:
"A hand grenade with a high explosive EMP charge for taking out multiple enemies and creating diversions. Its magnetically charged casing will stick to nearby mechanical enemies and temporarily disable them. Remember to stay out of the grenade's blast range. Its name refers to Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American inventor and electrical engineer best known for his contributions to the design of modern AC power systems."
-Light Manipulation (via Laserkraftwerk)
Blazkowicz can blind Nazis with Laserkraftwerk when he has the strobe upgrade, here is a description of the upgrade:
The Strobe upgrade: When firing the weapon, this attachment produces a blinding flash of light which temporarily disorients any target facing it.
I will do a list for Wolfenstein II later (Da'at Yichud Power suit and Super Soldier body)
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Is more to poison
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Looks good! i’ll give that Lothar speed feat a try when I find the time.
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Are you sure? This is the definition of paralysis:
"The loss of the ability to move (and sometimes to feel anything) in part or most of the body, typically as a result of illness, poison, or injury."
It could go both ways, but the intent of the toxin was only to paralyse, not kill. If i am not mistaken posion is usually considered to be something that kills you through various means.
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Nice job on the calc. Altough not gonna lie i expected it to be a bit higher. So far we have plenty of 8-C consistency.
Wolfenstein - Explosion
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But i've been thinking about how we should approach the 8-A Ubergewehr regarding the scaling
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Looked into that speed feet, unfortunate It would barely be Subsonic.
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Anybody have something new to add?
Also we should probably do the Ubergewehr 8-A calc on the wiki.
Btw found some interesting stuff in the Wolfenstein The Deep comic which includes the Thule Race which are described to be somewhat lovecraftian in nature. The Nazis built the New Castle Wolfenstein from the reamins of an underwater thule city, which ended up making some people that went into The New Castle Wolfenstein crazy and end up killing themselves. There is a lot of other shit surrounding them.
Here is the link if anyone wants to read it:
https://***************.li/Comic/Wolfenstein/Issue-1?id=142550
I found some stuff for base BJ Blazkowicz and possibly some stuff for London Monitor.
-BJ can tank an explosion of 8 grenades, which are Small Building Level by default, they can even vaporize people in game. BJ walks this off like nothing happened.
-BJ tanks a whole castle falling on him and then digs himslef out of the rubble and casually snaps the neck of a mutant that wasn't effected by 8 pistol rounds which go from Wall level+ to Small Builiding level based on Couch's calcs.
-A machine having some resemblance to London Monitor can vaporize earth enough to make a deep hole in the ground:
-An older and weaker version of London Monitor (Baltisches Auge) can create a big crater with it's eye attack:
-Also there is this statement about BJ by a Da'at Yichud scientist, don't know what to think about it.
Also we should probably do the Ubergewehr 8-A calc on the wiki.
Btw found some interesting stuff in the Wolfenstein The Deep comic which includes the Thule Race which are described to be somewhat lovecraftian in nature. The Nazis built the New Castle Wolfenstein from the reamins of an underwater thule city, which ended up making some people that went into The New Castle Wolfenstein crazy and end up killing themselves. There is a lot of other shit surrounding them.
Here is the link if anyone wants to read it:
https://***************.li/Comic/Wolfenstein/Issue-1?id=142550
I found some stuff for base BJ Blazkowicz and possibly some stuff for London Monitor.
-BJ can tank an explosion of 8 grenades, which are Small Building Level by default, they can even vaporize people in game. BJ walks this off like nothing happened.
-BJ tanks a whole castle falling on him and then digs himslef out of the rubble and casually snaps the neck of a mutant that wasn't effected by 8 pistol rounds which go from Wall level+ to Small Builiding level based on Couch's calcs.
-A machine having some resemblance to London Monitor can vaporize earth enough to make a deep hole in the ground:
-An older and weaker version of London Monitor (Baltisches Auge) can create a big crater with it's eye attack:
-Also there is this statement about BJ by a Da'at Yichud scientist, don't know what to think about it.
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I honestly had no idea they were comics. anyways I’ll see what I can do for the Ubergewehr feat.
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I was just going through the Blazkowicz vs Batman match you linked and i noticed you said BJ should have three keys, two High 8-C and one 8-A key.
I am guessing it's: Base | Da'at Yichud power suit | Super soldier body
If so, i think the second key, Da'at Yichud armor should scale to Super soldier body key. The base is debateable.
I would like for you to elaborate on the matter if possible.
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No, it is said that in the super soldier body Blaz is "invincible" and stronger than ever, besides the fact that he has much better feats in this key
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I do remember BJ saying he feels powerful after he wakes up in his new body. Where is it downright said that he is stronger than ever or "invincible", im interested.
I mean Jes and Soph were able to hurt and overpower Blazkowicz while in Da'at Yichud suits in Youngblood at 31s:
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Regardless, Youngblood also has the Ubergewehr which Soph and Jess can tank and we know they can hurt Blazkowicz. The suit should obviously scale to 8-A.
I mean we know the suit is on a different level of power compared to base Blazkowicz who is High 8-C. In Wolfenstein The New Order and The Old Blood he can't even physically hurt (altough he can tank their attacks) major mechanized enemies of the Third Reich like Guard robots, Panzerhunds and Super soldiers. But when Caroline used the suit she easily one shot two Guard robots:
Btw what do you think of that Da'at Yichud scientist statement in the comic i sent above. It's the very last scan.
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Any progress?
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@CorneredHarbor; Have you started a sandbox or something?
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Not yet, but soon. I've been doing some shit lately. I am probbably gonna start tomorrow, but don't hold my word on it.
Btw i would love to get an insight on why you put base BJ at High 8-C, if that's not a problem.
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I was thinking that the calculation results would be High 8-C, but they are only 9-A to 8-C
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I see.
For the Panzerhund calc you did, wouldn't the Panzerhund go into Large Building Level territory beacuse he tanks that explosion effortlessly without any damage.
Also base BJ should have a way bigger durability compared to his Attack Potency. Any robotic enemy scales far above BJ via BJ not being able to physically hurt them at all, but he can still tank attacks from them. I'd honestly argue that base BJ might have 8-A durability via some scaling.
Anyway, i'll start messing in the sandbox to test some things out.
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I find the possibility of 8-A unlikely, that’s not to say the feat can’t be calculated or not get decent results, but after some experimenting I found that enemies gotta be pretty damn close to that energy ball (or whatever it is) while it’s exploding to be vaporized, probably at most 4 or 5 m. I suppose this could be able to reach High 8-C to possibly low end 8-B at the most.
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The feat is not close enough to the baseline of large building level to be upscaled like that.
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Any progress on the calc?
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I’ll try to get it out tonight.
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Okay. I hope i am not rushing you or anything?
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Well I tried my hand at the feat and I only got like a little over 3 Tons, less than the laser feat. Could be a little higher, but i doubt it would be 8-B let alone 8-A.
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That's certainly dissapointing, i wonder how Life of King possibly got Multi City Block level. Could you post your calc here at some point in time?
On the second note, coud you possibly use the nuclear explosion values on the Ubergewehr, considering it causes nuclear fission and it also uses some type of nuclear reactor if i am not mistaken.
Also, i am sure the range of vaporization for Ubergewehr is more than 5 meters.
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This wouldn’t yield results higher than the method we’re using right now.
To be precise I got 5.246 m, and yes I guess it could be higher, but I don’t think it could be by much.
I haven’t put it into a blog yet.
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@LIFE_OF_KING any input on Kilgorethecouch's calc result? How did you get an exponentially higher result?
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I'm still on vacation, but when I'm done I'll calculate
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Enjoy.
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@LIFE_OF_KING and @Kilgorethecouch any Wolfenstein calcs in the making? I would like for us to look more into the Ubergewehr calc. I don't want to rush anyone, since i know you guys can be really busy.
Btw we can scale Laserkraftwerk to City Block Level via it having an abillity to combine 5 normal energy beams into one huge beam. The normal Laserkraftwerk energy beam scales above Lasergewehr which as of right now stands at Large Building Level, even if we were to say it was equal to Lasergewehr the 5x multiplier would still be City Block Level. This would scale to pretty much every robotic enemy (since they can tank multiple of these, save for Supersoldaten and Ubersoldaten, but it would still scale to their attack potency since they can hurt other robotic enemies) like Panzerhunds, Zittadels, Zerstorers, Ubersoldaten, Supersoldaten ect... since we know all the robotic/cybernetic enemies are somewhat comparable to each other in power, as we know from Wolfenstein 2 (Panzerhund ride) and Cyberpilot (pretty much through the entire game you are using various robotic enemies to fight other robotic enemies ranging from Supersoldaten, Zittadels, Zerstorers and Panzerhunds).
Btw we can scale Laserkraftwerk to City Block Level via it having an abillity to combine 5 normal energy beams into one huge beam. The normal Laserkraftwerk energy beam scales above Lasergewehr which as of right now stands at Large Building Level, even if we were to say it was equal to Lasergewehr the 5x multiplier would still be City Block Level. This would scale to pretty much every robotic enemy (since they can tank multiple of these, save for Supersoldaten and Ubersoldaten, but it would still scale to their attack potency since they can hurt other robotic enemies) like Panzerhunds, Zittadels, Zerstorers, Ubersoldaten, Supersoldaten ect... since we know all the robotic/cybernetic enemies are somewhat comparable to each other in power, as we know from Wolfenstein 2 (Panzerhund ride) and Cyberpilot (pretty much through the entire game you are using various robotic enemies to fight other robotic enemies ranging from Supersoldaten, Zittadels, Zerstorers and Panzerhunds).
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The 5x multiplier sounds simple enough to me, But I also don’t know the rules regarding multipliers so I would say you should just ask a staff member whether or not it is acceptable.
As for calcs, all of the ones that I can think of right now would likely be nothing more than supporting feats.
As for calcs, all of the ones that I can think of right now would likely be nothing more than supporting feats.
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Yeah. The other calcs besides the Lasergewehr and Ubergewehr are all Building to Small building level.
But seriously, i think we really need to mess around with the Ubergewehr more. I am still interested in what @LIFE_OF_KING has to say regarding the matter.
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@Kilgorethecouch
@LIFE_OF_KING
I think we need to discuss some things about B.J Blazkowicz. I was trying to make a profile and made some progress but i found myself doing multiple restarts on some things and debating myself.
1. Speed. We just jumped to the conclusion that he should be Subsonic+ beacuse he can dodge rockets. Why Subsonic+? Some moder day rocket launchers are just Subsonic in speed. Plus the nature of the rockets B.J can dodge is bizzare (Those being the mini rockets attached to the 1960 Assault rifle) . They are very small and shaped very weirdly, making it hard to compare it to something for reference. Altough dodging rockets from close ranges is still at minimum subsonic so there is that. But i'd like for us to have a more concrete value. I know Kilgore did a small calc based on the feat of Soph and Jess stopping bullets going at transonic speeds, but that apparently ended up being only barely Subsonic.
I also found that B.J and his daughters can dodge Laserhund's laser after it has been fired. Altough this wouldn't be light speed levels as it would obviously be a huge outlier and lasers in Wolfenstein act more like plasma based energy weapons.
2. Scaling of base B.J Blazkowicz. I know for sure that Da'at Yichud armor and Bio-Engineered body B.J is City Block Level. But i am trying to figure out where to scale his base form. I was maybe thinking Small Building Level AP with City Block Level durability.
Also i might have found something good about the Ubergewehr. I'll let you know if it's promising.
Anyway, your help would be appreciated!
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I think we need to discuss some things about B.J Blazkowicz. I was trying to make a profile and made some progress but i found myself doing multiple restarts on some things and debating myself.
1. Speed. We just jumped to the conclusion that he should be Subsonic+ beacuse he can dodge rockets. Why Subsonic+? Some moder day rocket launchers are just Subsonic in speed. Plus the nature of the rockets B.J can dodge is bizzare (Those being the mini rockets attached to the 1960 Assault rifle) . They are very small and shaped very weirdly, making it hard to compare it to something for reference. Altough dodging rockets from close ranges is still at minimum subsonic so there is that. But i'd like for us to have a more concrete value. I know Kilgore did a small calc based on the feat of Soph and Jess stopping bullets going at transonic speeds, but that apparently ended up being only barely Subsonic.
I also found that B.J and his daughters can dodge Laserhund's laser after it has been fired. Altough this wouldn't be light speed levels as it would obviously be a huge outlier and lasers in Wolfenstein act more like plasma based energy weapons.
2. Scaling of base B.J Blazkowicz. I know for sure that Da'at Yichud armor and Bio-Engineered body B.J is City Block Level. But i am trying to figure out where to scale his base form. I was maybe thinking Small Building Level AP with City Block Level durability.
Also i might have found something good about the Ubergewehr. I'll let you know if it's promising.
Anyway, your help would be appreciated!
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I’m not a big expert on rockets so I couldn’t really say much here, subsonic+ is just the normal assumption we seem to make on this wiki.
As far as I know, most modern day rocket launcher used by well equipped modern militaries Are on average within the subsonic+ range.
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The biggest problem is the type of rocket. It's a mini rocket in an unusual shape for a rocket. It's hard to compare it to something from real life as a reference.
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Isn't the explosion I calculated good for scaling Blaz?
