Wolfenstein (MachineGames) Discussion Thread

[Kilgorethecouch]

I don't think this has ever existed before, so i guess i'll just make it exist.

also, this is about the modern games, so please try to keep it there.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Yeah, Wolfenstein verse is basically non-exsistent on this wiki. And that BJ Blazkowicz profile is really bad and outdated.

The verse needs some heavy upgrades, i saw your calculations that put Grenades at Small Building Level and guns at wall level+ to Small Building Level. There are also many other Small Building to Building level feats in the verse that i am willing to go over.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Agreed, BJs profile is extremely low effort. It’s also a composite profile of his character which i’m pretty sure isn’t allowed, and there’s not even any other profiles for the verse.

Anyways I am interested to hear what other feats you may have found.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Agreed, BJs profile is extremely low effort. It’s also a composite profile of his character which i’m pretty sure isn’t allowed, and there’s not even any other profiles for the verse.

Anyways I am interested to hear what other feats you may have found

And the funny things is, it's called composite, but it isn't even composite.


Here are some feats:


1. BJ can easily vaporize Nazi soldiers with a one normal shot from Laserkraftwerk (9-A Small Building Level-295 megajoules)


The feat: (You can do this in gameplay everytime you shoot a nazi soldier)


Based on this calc which is universally used: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/Rough_Calc,_Vaporization_for_a_human


2. BJ can supercharge the Laserkraftwerk, it can output 5 times the power of a single shot at maximum capicity. (8-C Building Level-1.4 megajoules)


Proof:



3. Lesergewehr can vaporize nazi soldiers and metal walls, this weapon is used by BJ and the Nazi Supersoldaten. (9-A Small Building Level, 295 megajoules for human vaporization unknown for the metal wall)


The Feat:

4. Dieselkraftwerk can vaporize people
(9-A Small Building Level, 295 megajoules)


The Feat:


5. Dieselkraftwerk has a simillar supercharge abillity as Laserkraftwerk in which it shoots out 5 shoots that explode at the same time in very close peoximity to each other (8-C, 1.4 Gigajoules)


Proof:


6. Dieselwerher can vaporize people (9-A Small Building Level-295 megajoules)


The Feat:

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7. Panzerhunds flames can easily vaporize people (9-A Small Building Level, 295 Megajoules)


The Feat: https://youtu.be/q5-8bOdgbQ8?t=6m56s


In short, a lot of vaporization. This verse has a lot of Small Building level consistency. Your calcs solidify it even more. Blazkowicz and a lot of Nazi enemies can tank these types of attacks and can go toe to toe with each other. Altough i reckon we can get to building level aswell with some feats.


NOTE: Feats worth looking at would be General Strasse's mecha tanking a big explosion at the end of The New Order, London Monitor's eye attack which Blazkowicz can take without a lot of problem and Blazkowicz tanking a literal Nazi jet flying at him at full speed at the beggining of The New Order.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Lesergewehr can vaporize nazi soldiers and metal walls, this weapon is used by BJ and the Nazi Supersoldaten. (9-A Small Building Level, 295 megajoules for human vaporization unknown for the metal wall)

The metal wall stuff is more like melting than vaporization.

But yes I did do some experimentation and guesstimation on the melting of these metal walls, and found that the
Lesergewehr can melt about 4 of them Within a second or less. Which when I did some rough calculations, came out at about Building Level+.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

The metal wall stuff is more like melting than vaporization.

But yes I did do some experimentation and guesstimation on the melting of these metal walls, and found that the
Lesergewehr can melt about 4 of them Within a second or less. Which when I did some rough calculations, came out at about Building Level+.

Well i guessed it was vaporization since the metal turns into particles and then just dissapears. But you're right now that i look at it better.

Building level+? Damn, that's pretty good. That should scale to Laserkraftwerk as it uses and outputs more energy in a single shot than Lasergewehr in a second. That is if the calc is correct and acceptable

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

General Strasse's mecha tanking a big explosion at the end of The New Order

The explosion it’s self isn’t very impressive, but there was this giant concrete wall that was destroyed, not sure if it was the explosion that did it or just the Mech smashing through it but either way it would still scale.

London Monitor's eye attack

I’ll have to take a look.

Blazkowicz tanking a literal Nazi jet flying at him at full speed at the beggining of The New Order

I think I know what you’re referring to here, and if I am correct then I’m sorry to say but this probably wouldn’t be very impressive.

for one that wasn’t a Nazi jet, it looked more like a P-51 Mustang that lost control after being hit by flak and accidentally slammed into BJ.

now let’s say it was flying at top speed (which in this situation I don’t find very likely), in that case it would be straight up 9-A however, due to the fact that we would have to consider inverse square law for this feat means that the amount of energy that Blazko tanked would be reduced to like 9-B.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

The explosion it’s self isn’t very impressive, but there was this giant concrete wall that was destroyed, not sure if it was the explosion that did it or just the Mech smashing through it but either way it would still scale.

I’ll have to take a look.

I think I know what you’re referring to here, and if I am correct then I’m sorry to say but this probably wouldn’t be very impressive.

for one that wasn’t a Nazi jet, it looked more like a P-51 Mustang that lost control after being hit by flak and accidentally slammed into BJ.

now let’s say it was flying at top speed (which in this situation I don’t find very likely), in that case it would be straight up 9-A however, due to the fact that we would have to consider inverse square law for this feat means that the amount of energy that Blazko tanked would be reduced to like 9-B.

It wasn't a P-51 Mustang. It was a Horthen Ho 229.

This is the offical description for it: "Historically, the design was a response to Hermann Göring's call for light bomber designs capable of meeting the "3×1000" requirement; namely to carry 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb) of bombs a distance of 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) with a speed of 1,000 kilometres per hour (620 mph). Only jets engines could provide the speed, but these were extremely fuel-hungry, so considerable effort had to be made to meet the range requirement. Based on a flying wing, the Ho 229 lacked all extraneous control surfaces to reduce weight and lower drag. It was the only design to come even close to the 3×1000 requirements and received Göring's approval. Its ceiling was 15,000 metres (49,000 ft)."

 

[JohnConquest1]

I realize I might overshadow the rest of the thread by asking this but how should we treat Wolfenstein, Keen, and DOOMs continuity relationship.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

I realize I might overshadow the rest of the thread by asking this but how should we treat Wolfenstein, Keen, and DOOMs continuity relationship.

I was going to ask this same thing. And honestly i need to look some things up about it before i make a decision.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

It wasn't a P-51 Mustang. It was a Horthen Ho 229.

Hmm maybe we’re thinking two different things here. I don’t know, I’ll have to find it when I get home.

Although either way it still won’t be very impressive.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

I realize I might overshadow the rest of the thread by asking this but how should we treat Wolfenstein, Keen, and DOOMs continuity relationship.

i’d be the last person in the world to be able to answer that unfortunately.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Hmm maybe we’re thinking two different things here. I don’t know, I’ll have to find it when I get home.

Although either way it still won’t be very impressive.

Yeah, we are thinking of different things. I am thinking of the momment when Blazkowicz is using a machine gun on the plane while you are thinking of the momment when Blazkowicz and Fergus are leaving the plane.

This is it so you don't need to search for it:


Also take your time.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Following

I was really thinking about revising the profile after this match happened. The profile is totally garbage currently

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Following

I was really thinking about revising the profile after this match happened. The profile is totally garbage currently

Pretty much. The speed feat on that profile is from a completely seperate Wolfenstein verse. There are also missing abillities and the research done was minimal at best.

BJ should get some pretty hefty upgrades if things go well here.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Yeah, we are thinking of different things. I am thinking of the momment when Blazkowicz is using a machine gun on the plane while you are thinking of the momment when Blazkowicz and Fergus are leaving the plane.

Oh yes ok I remember now.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Ubergewehr has an 8-A feat as far I can remember. And like, you can survive from the damage of the explosion.

But this is applied only to Blaz's last key

 

[CorneredHarbor]

I realize I might overshadow the rest of the thread by asking this but how should we treat Wolfenstein, Keen, and DOOMs continuity relationship.

I think that the New Order timeline is seperate to Doom and Commander Keen. Those mostly apply to the original Wolfenstein. MachineGames have said on multiple occasions that their series is not connected to the previous Wolfenstein games.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

The Ubergewehr has an 8-A feat as far I can remember. And like, you can survive from the damage of the explosion.

But this is applied only to Blaz's last key

Is there a calc for that?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Not here on the site. I calculated it a while ago out of curiosity

 

[JohnConquest1]

I think that the New Order timeline is seperate to Doom and Commander Keen. Those mostly apply to the original Wolfenstein. MachineGames have said on multiple occasions that their series is not connected to the previous Wolfenstein games.

It would still probably be a good idea to get a profile for ID Blaz. If both at least share that version of him as a basis.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Not here on the site. I calculated it a while ago out of curiosity

I see, nice.

It would still probably be a good idea to get a profile for ID Blaz. If both at least share that version of him as a basis.

As far as im aware there are 4 seperate BJ Blazkowicze's.

-The original ID Software Blazkowicz (Wolfenstein 3D, Spear of Destiny, Wolfenstein RPG)

-Gray Matter Blazkowicz (Return to Castle Wolfenstein)

-Raven Software Blazkowicz (Wolfenstein 2009)

MachineGames Blazkowicz (The New Order, The Old Blood, The New Collossus, Youngblood)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Should Wolfenstein characters have immunity to soul manipulation? Tekla says that the idea of soul and life is something not real, which is supported by Strasse being able to basically revive people through pure body's memory

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Should Wolfenstein characters have immunity to soul manipulation? Tekla says that the idea of soul and life is something not real, which is supported by Strasse being able to basically revive people through pure body's memory

I see what you mean. But how can we know Tekla is actually correct?

Wouldn't Strasse reviving people through pure body memory be more like just creating a clone of that person?

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

The Ubergewehr has an 8-A feat

What exactly did it do?

 

[CorneredHarbor]

This is a possibly good speed feat for Blazkowicze's daughters to whom he should be superior to.

Lothar shoots at Zofia and Jess as they are coming out of the elevator with a Maschinepistole which should have a muzzle velocity of at least 425 m/s (i am basing the muzzle velocity on the gun the Maschinepistole is designed after, Smith & Wesson M76 Submachine gun) from the elevator across. The distance between the 2 elevators: https://ibb.co/ssmt6py

The feat:

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Could be interesting, although there is a cut between when he begins to shoot and when she raises her arm which could be a problem.

Also, that firearm looks more like a Micro Uzi which has a muzzle velocity of about 350 m/s (scroll down until you find the military variants).

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Could be interesting, although there is a cut between when he begins to shoot and when she raises her arm which could be a problem.

Also, that firearm looks more like a Micro Uzi which has a muzzle velocity of about 350 m/s (scroll down until you find the military variants).

You would be right. Dunno what i was thinking. I was going more of of Wolfenstein II's Maschinepistole which looks more like M76, the one from Youngblood is supposed to be it's successor. The thing is you can make it look like the one from Wolfenstein II via Youngblood's customization, but Lothar has a basic default one.

Btw i am currently trying to find some speed feats for BJ Blazkowicz. Any speed feats you know of?

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

I mean throughout all four games you can dodge missiles pretty easily, which should be about Subsonic+.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

So i just noticed i forgot to put evidence in my feat list for Dieselwerher vaporizing people, so i edited it.

Now, i found 2 good feats in Youngblood.

1.Elektrokraftwerk can vaporize multiple enemies at the same time. Now i am not sure how many enemies it can target at the same time. But in the gif we can see it can target at least 3 which would be Small Building Level+ if it goes above that it would be Building Level.

Feat:

2. General Winkler vaporizes 2 people and melts 2 metal gates at the same time. The gif shows the feat from different perspectives.

Feat:

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Never played the youngbloog, but the feats seems perfect

What exactly did it do?

The first time you use the weapon dozens of armed scientists appear, which you vaporize instantly with a single shot. Thanks to the great range, the Inverse Square Law becomes possible. It is an calculation similar to this one

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Hmm ok interesting.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

This is what i was talking about concerning the London Monitor's eye attack. It charges it then shoots out a beam of energy making an explosion but it's really hard to tell how big the explosion is from the perspective. The London Monitor will always perfectly follow you so it's impposible to see the explosion from a distance.

Here is the video:


The London Monitor can also shoot a large barrage of missiles at Blazkowicz, but as with the eye, it's impposible to get the full scale of the attack as there are explosions all around and everything shakes.

The Video:

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Those explosions probably wouldn’t really be all that impressive anyway, although I will say I remember that things eye attack was able to destroy those little tunnels, however in all honesty I wouldn’t know how to calc that.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

So should the Multi City Block level feat somehow scale to Balzkowicz? I could see it scale to some enemies like Zerstörer or Zitadelle.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

So, apparently a Panzerehund (you can see it jump towards the car) and a Guard Robot tank this explosion point blank:


The Panzerhund appears right after the explosion to hunt you down:


Blazkowicz can even hear it in the distance right after he gets up next to the broken statue:



While the Guard Robot rises out of rubble in front of the main enterance where the explosion happened:


Now we just need to somehow calc the explosion. It is clearly very strong it heavily ***** up the entire parking lot and even a lot of parts inside the London Nautica building.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

I'm just going to drop this here.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

I'm just going to drop this here.

Nice. You did a great job with the calc!

Btw what you do you think of the London Nautica explosion?

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Could be impressive, although I’ll have to look into it further.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Bump