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Winter Schnee vs Jean Pierre Polnareff

Aura doesnt have a durability, it has a health bar. Also its happened almost half a dozen times at this point
It's just a forcefield, then. It can be broken by attacks in the same tier, so I have no clue why it would allow them to tank dozens of higher level attacks. If it actually allows them to survive 8-B attacks like Tyrian's (which isn't even likely true, I already explained how he wasn't even trying with them), then the RWBY crew would be 8-B post timeskip as auras are broken by people in the same Tier all the time.

Uh, I'm 99% sure that the health bars are just representing the integrety of their auras, not that they actually function like health bars.
 
Yes, it's a health bar representing their aura. The aura itself isn't a health bar.

That doesn't explain them shrugging off attacks from characters with a 2x AP advantage either.
 
We know it's a health bar in the sense that it is depleted over time from damage, that is true.

The problem is, it is depleted very fast regularly when characters of the same strength engage in combat with one another. See the tournament for an example, as well as many other fights.

It's only going to take a barrage or two from Polnareff to deplete said aura entirely, he is twice as strong as Winter at least. Any mention of Winter absorbing 6x her durability through aura is unsourced, and frankly on an incredible level of outlier.
 
The "healt bar" mechanic would only really work if we accepted damage accumulation on the wiki and afaik we don't (even if I no one really explained to me why)
 
@Kalt Its the same way that shields from Halo work, they can take a set amount of damage before breaking
 
@Professor

It isnt unsourced, and these are just off the top of my head
 
It's not even damage accumulation, it's just like the Green Lantern bubble shield thingy. It can absorb a few blows from those stronger than Hal Jordan... but then it breaks after like the third hit and he's usually ******.
 
The Prototype Paladin isn't 8-B, check Roman's profile.

Velvet didn't tank that attack, she was nearly immediately knocked out. Also, likely an outlier unless you want to argue scaling.

Those are 8-C characters, it would just scale to AP and Dura.

Already explained how Tyrian wasn't even taking them seriously.

Weiss gets hit once and loses her balance completely.


None of this is explaining how Winter can suddenly tank attacks abover her AP level. And no, characters a tier below her taking attacks doesn't prove that. It would be like saying if Billy the Ant took an attack from a human with his aura, then all other aura users should be able to tank attacks from things thousands of times above their AP because "it's the same ability".
 
@Weekly

Your first two points are kind of hard to tell, because we don't know how strong the giant robots are exactly. We know they're very durable, but that doesn't mean they have comparable AP.

Killer Quartet does not quadruple his strength ahahahah, it's just three other clones using a whirlwind to send Whiss backwards, lol. The only force we can really determine there is the ragdoll and the sudden stop she endured.

Yang is roughly equal to Mercury in strength and has an absurb amount of pain tolerance, so not really close to the 6x proof you've claimed.

Tyrian is attacking their armor and weapons most of the time, they only really endure a few kicks and punches. That's the extent of damage they recieved, not impressive since Tyrian shouldn't have any basis for being 6x stronger than them.

The rest of your points pretty much fall in line with what I've said.
 
Its High 8-C

Yes she did, watch the rest of the video, she's up a few seconds later, she wasnt knocked out

And yet he was still hittig them hard enough to damage their aura

And?

Yes it does as she scales above them
 
Killer Quartet does quadruple his power, he makes three clones of himself all using the same attack. He doesnt use any whirlwind
 
I mean, it doesn't even matter with his points. None of that applies to Winter. Some random character using a forcefield doesn't justify multipliers for higher tier characters who use the same type of forcefeild.

Even then, we'd just scale that to AP as aura is broken by people in the same tier all the time.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes actually it does as winter has more and is more proficient with her aura
Click to expand...
No, it really doesn't.

You can't give multipliers to unrelated characters just because they use the same type of ability. You could keep on looping that logic and cause people to jump tiers for absolutely no reason.

And yes, most of the feats you linked me are either outliers, are from opponents who aren't even trying, or are just in the same tier.

Even then, it would just scale to AP, as Aura is broken by people in the same tier all the time.
 
I don't agree with that @Dargoo. If there is definite proof that aura is 6x stronger than their actual durability I am fine with it. I just don't believe there is outside of a couple PIS instances.

It's like saying Jonathan's hamon in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure can kill zombies, but Dire's hamon cannot because he has never demonstrated it... what.
 
Again, unless you treat it as something that has a set durability, it doesn't fit the system of the wiki.

Remember when Mami was 7-A via chip damage to a 6-C and you told me "Hey Kal, that doesn't make any sense"?

That's literally the same, if you argue that 8-C Aura can survive 8-B attacks.
 
But yes, same strength characters breaking each others aura in just a few combos and blows is pretty consistent, unless you're trying to claim an entire tournament was PIS @Weekly.
 
That's an application of the ability. I'm talking about durability.

A durability feat from one person's forcefield shouldn't upgrade people who scale from completly different feats.

If there was a statement, "Aura increases your durability sixfold!", sure. Sadly the only proof I'm being supplied is just regular dura feats. And ones that are outliers, PIS, and casual, to boot.
 
Thank you. This logic is beggining to really bother me, it's straight up not how we run the wiki.
 
The weird thing is that I don't actually get why we ignore things like damage accumulation in threads (totally get it for stats on the profiles).

But no one ever really answered so in the meantime i'll simply inform people I guess
 
Antvasima has only told me "That is how our tiering system works" so I'm not sure either.

You can't accumulate damage with speed, time-stopping or most things IRC.
 
Fair enough.

However the feats I were given don't A) Give 8-C Auras 8-B Dura, or B) Are even real 8-B scaling feats, or C) Apply to 8-B Auras.
 
@Prof oh I know. I get it when it comes to putting stats on the pages.

I simply never understood why 10 punches worth 100 kilotons are different from one worth 1 megaton.

I guess for the sake of simplicity, but I do find it weird
 
It kinda does. The Colorado River made the Grand Canyon via continuously hitting the rocks, but you can be sure that it never generated tier 6 energy at any point.

And the total energy of 10 100 kt nukes is indeed a megaton.

But as I said, probably it's for simplicity sake

Anyway, sorry for the derail, let's drop this now
 
I believe I was given the analogy of professional boxers being able to tank a large number of 10-A punches not being justification for them to have 9-C/9-B dura.

This is also a good question for the calc group, although I'm sure it would boil down to how one large blast being able to harm an object significantly more than multiple small blasts; as while the energy output is the same, if done over time the target has time to recover from the shock/strain of every attack.

For example, if I tap a small peice of glass continuously with my finger, it will not break, as it will just absorb the shock/lose the energy instead of immediatly reaching it's stress/breaking point. Erosion over time, like the example you linked, isn't actually the energy stacking up, it's the result of the tiny amount of material that is actually being chipped off every second.

However this is derailing the thread, it's clear that this doesn't apply here, and would need a seperate CRT.
 
That's not how Weekly says Aura works though. It's like the health bar, as she said. Aura doesn't seem to work like standard Durability, where breaking an Aura would scale to those who broke it. It's about how easy the aura can be broken, basically. The stronger your enemy is, the more damage your aura takes, until it eventually wears down. Like erosion via damage. Being comparable in stats would make the Aura take a lot longer to erode than if the guy stomped the target in stats. It's LITERALLY a Halo Forcefield, instead of a barrier that doesn't break until you surpass the threshold— like I assume we treat physical durability on this site.

Edit; Ninja'd?
 
If it's literally a Halo forcefield, then strong enough attacks can instantly bypass the durability, such as being run over by a Warthog or falling from a high enough distance.

It doesn't negate all damage until it wears out, if that is what you're implying.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. All weekly needs to provide is a concrete couple of feats of a character's aura surviving blows from 8-Bs, if that is in question.
 
But it's already been established that in a huge tournament, characters of equal strength can shatter each others aura's relatively easily. It takes a few attacks before they have to stop because their aura levels are dangerously low.
 
Like I said, the burden of proof is on Weekly to demonstrate that tanking blows from 8-Bs is more consistent than the tournament.
 
Side note; I should make a thread on Verse Equalizing Chi/Ki/Mana/Magic concepts in fiction into one huge system where everything is possible. Aura seems really cool if it's half hard durability, half damage sponge thing. Kinda seems like it's a Chi thing.
 
I would highly suggest against that.

We already consider chi and ki to usually be the same thing in most fiction, as long as they are similar enough in concept and mechanics. Same goes for magics and such.
 
I mean, if we're talking about individual hits, we'd need dozens upon dozens of 8-B survival feats to oppose the consitency of the hundreds of 8-C attacks that hurt Auras in the tournament.
 
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