Why isn't Joker scaled to other dc street level characters?

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

I mean even Harley Quin is scaled. And Joker is Unknown? Why?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I was wondering this as well

 

[Huesito88]

That's what I've been asking =P

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I think it's because he's consistently portrayed as weaker than other Street Levels. Harley, for example, fights DC Street levels all the time, whereas Joker relies more on prep and weapons.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Joker beats Harley to the brink of death though, he also takes hits from superpowered beings

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, I'm not exactly in defense of it, but that's what I'm assuming the original reasoning was.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

It has a lot holes in that argument though :/

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

I guessed as much

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Originally Joker was 9-C when Batman was just 9-B with no real justification.

The page needs an overhaul in general. It's not what continuity it's pointed to and uses Arkhamverse artwork when it's supposed to be a comic profile.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Should it be remade then?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the original reason was that Joker has been recurrently portrayed as physically weaker than other characters, but if you can find references/scans of him holding his own against or defeating them, feel free to update the profile accordingly.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Didn't he brutally kill Jason Todd, turning him into this?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Jason was younger and weaker, and the Joker used a crowbar while Jason was tied up.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay, though it was a pretty dark moment. Still, I'm skeptical about Joker being treated as weaker than Harley considered she's basically his sidekick/minion. Not to mention Joker has occasionally fought toe to toe with Batman in hand to hand combat iirc. And it is true that he's physically weaker than Batman, but he's not overwhelmingly weaker.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that his profile can be updated then. However, I would prefer some example scans to be included.

 

[Sandman31]

Okay, though it was a pretty dark moment. Still, I'm skeptical about Joker being treated as weaker than Harley considered she's basically his sidekick/minion.

Being a minion doesnt really mean that Harley is weaker than Joker

Also Harley has proven to be smarter and more agile when her love for him is not clouding her judgment.


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[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

While these aren't the best feats and such he can take beatings from others treat level characters so should at least have that durability.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/batm...imate-batman-villains-respect-thread-1847638/

 

[Cropfist]

I agree that Joker should scale to Batman.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Though joker maybe somewhat weaker, which is debatable when they tie a lot, it shouldn't be much weaker. Plus he can take hits from other characters of a similar tier unharmed and such like nightwing, Harley, red hood, other Batman villains, etc. so durability should at least be comparable to Batman as well.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Also some good points on this thread https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1496964

 

[Antvasima]

@Sandman31

Are you willing to update the page?

 

[Sandman31]

Ok, but I dont agree with upgrading him base on "stronger than Harley Quinn because she is Joker's sidekick"

After I looked at the Harley Quinn page, I even think we should "upgrade" her (change her justification and remove the likely).

Harley Quinn already fought Batman 3 times, fought Cassandra Cain and Tim Drake at the same time and defeated Killer Croc.

in Batman: Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy gave Harley a potion that enchances her strenght, speed, agility, gave her an immunity to toxins (which was why she was unaffected by the Joker Venom) and a slight healing factor (she healed quickly after being shot in the shoulder)

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

But he should at be at least comparable.

 

[Antvasima]

@Sandman31

Okay. Feel free to adjust both the Joker and Harley Quinn pages.

 

[Sandman31]

Okay, I think its more safe to scale Joker to Lex Luthor since they fought and Joker defeated Lex in Salvation run, Joker used his acid flower though

 

[Antvasima]

Alright.

 

[Sandman31]

The Joker page is locked

 

[Sandman31]

Also, what type of Regenerationn does regenerating from a bullet wound falls under?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Sandman

Depends on the bullet wound.

 

[Sandman31]

Here

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Also doesn't Joker have a limited healing factor?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Sandman

That's probably Low.

@Headless

That's when he had access to Electrum, one of the key ingredients in the Lazarus Pits and a metal from the Dark Multiverse. I don't think he has that anymore.

 

[Sandman31]

Ok, thanks

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Ok then

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock the Joker page. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Sandman31]

Done

 

[Thundereld]

I'm a bit off topic,but shouldn't the Joker have 4th wall awareness without mxy's powers?

 

[Thundereld]

My evidence starts at 9:05 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNNxSFkgwQU

 

[Reppuzan]

@Thunder

It really depends, though it has to be continuous and extensive rather than one-off gags or panels.

So more like Pit or Deadpool than someone like Izuku Midoriya acknowledging that All Might is drawn completely differently from the other characters.

 

[Thundereld]

In that video there were shown multiple examples of 4th wall breaks like grabbing speech bubbles and the page of the comic book he is in,etc.That makes me believe he has not the same case as Deku,since the joker is more consistent.It could be added like this "Possibly 4th wall awareness".