Why isn't Buu Saga Goku MFTL as a Super Saiyan?

[Rikimarox2]

Pretty much the title. We consider SSJ1 to be > Kaioken 20x in terms of speed. Because of that, shouldn't Buu Saga Goku be MFTL due to the multipler?

Even if we assume Goku is at the lowest end of FTL+, he'd still be MFTL with the SSJ.

So... why isn't he?

 

[Thelastmlg]

If we added his statement of being 10x faster after training with kai, i think he'd be MFTL in his base form.

Agree with OP, ssj is lowballed but still boosts speed by 20x.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I recall Dark649 had plans to look over the speed multipliers a while back, but he's been retired for over a year now and no one got around to step by step looking at the speed feats and multipliers. And Piccolo's initial speed feat recently being upgraded also might give more barring on this, but now's not the best time. And also not looking forward to having to potentially bicker with other staff members again.

 

[Rikimarox2]

When's the best time, then?

Besides, I don't think this is a controversial thing. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with SSJ > 20x Kaioken, so I don't see any reason on why this would be a problem.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump~

 

[Thelastmlg]

If said time takes a eternity to come, what's the problem with simply putting MFTL for the time being.

And if the guy that was going to revise them has been retired for so long, who's going to revise them?

 

[KLOL506]

I recall Dark649 had plans to look over the speed multipliers a while back, but he's been retired for over a year now and no one got around to step by step looking at the speed feats and multipliers. And Piccolo's initial speed feat recently being upgraded also might give more barring on this, but now's not the best time. And also not looking forward to having to potentially bicker with other staff members again.

I already have the speed calc for Piccolo done (Moon destruction calc is done too, nobody had problems with using anime timeframe for speed in the manga just like with Roshi, only problem they have is with regards to using the anime destruction for the manga). Problem is, it's on my out-of-commission PC and I can't retrieve it until I get the new PC.

Honestly tho the speed from the anime is that it takes Piccolo's beam 3-ish seconds to reach the moon from the Earth regardless of whether you use the OG anime or Kai (I checked both using watchframebyframe, 3.05-ish seconds in the OG anime and 3.17-ish seconds in DBZ Kai, and the results equal to 40% SoL), and the beam feat is a one-to-one replica of the manga feat so it should count as being usable as per our policy for using anime scenes (Minus the destruction, only the anime shows it, manga only shows the beam being shot). Y'all could easily make the speed calc yourself since it's so simple, but the destruction calc will need to wait and will definitively affect Toei DBZ characters, so we'll wait for that.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump~

 

[Arcker123]

i agree

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpo

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump~

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Following this

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump~

Cmon peeps, this shit should've been a thing a long time ago.

 

[sanicspood]

bump

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump

 

[sanicspood]

welcome to battle wiki!

we hate goku!

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpo

 

[Shmooply]

Doesn't sound controversial.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bump!

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I agree, I think dragon ball z speed is downplayed.

 

[sanicspood]

they shoulvde been mftl+ in the namek saga tbh

 

[Cropfist]

welcome to battle wiki!

we hate goku!

LOL no

 

[DivineAura44]

LOL yes

 

[DivineAura44]

The entire reasoning for SSJ Multipliers not being accepted are very debatable. People are whole ass tryna downplay the speed of the Super characters off of a feat which isn't 100 percent confirmed.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yes it's dumb IMO, I heard they don't even wanna use SSJ as a multiplier because it's gotten stronger which isn't a reason and it isn't true anyway.

 

[y3p_owo]

bump ig

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This thread is super old and they were already upgraded now, so there's no need for this thread to be open. Closing time.