Why are the mods so mean?

[VeneficaAuthor]

I will find a way to write it. I've surpassed tier 0 before and can do it again. In fact, it's not too difficult to do if you know how to do it. I can put 10% of my focus into making the character strong enough and 90% into making the characters good.

I figured that no one would care about a character that is at most Island Level since so many characters are already that powerful or more. If people want, I can share those characters.

No thank you.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I figured that no one would care about a character that is at most Island Level since so many characters are already that powerful or more. If people want, I can share those characters.

I absolutely love Captain Jack Harkness who is like... 9-A. people will absolutely care about even a tier 10 character if they're written well.

 

[Rayfire]

I will find a way to write it. I've surpassed tier 0 before and can do it again. In fact, it's not too difficult to do if you know how to do it. I can put 10% of my focus into making the character strong enough and 90% into making the characters good.

I figured that no one would care about a character that is at most Island Level since so many characters are already that powerful or more. If people want, I can share those characters.

Okay, well, i don't know why you are posting about this on vsbattles to begin with then, because that's not how it works here lol.

If you don't want to take criticism from people who have actually written stuff like me and vene, and publish your guys on another wiki that allows your bajillion tiers, then you can do that.

Power. level. does. not. determine. character. relevancy. Why are you coming to that conclusion?

 

[MintyBoi1]

I figured that no one would care about a character that is at most Island Level since so many characters are already that powerful or more. If people want, I can share those characters.

I love Zatch Bell

 

[Shugunou]

That's great and all, but it still doesn't necessitate being beyond tier 0 somehow. You should not aim to have the strongest character in fiction at all, it's just not possible and also just plain bad writing at that point. There is a reason why places like FC/OC have strict rules on tier 1 and have whole review threads for it, this sort of thing should always make sense narratively.

Cause it's mathematically impossible to go any further than that

Not really a serious answer, but i think that's the gist of it. I'm not the best guy to ask for tier 1/0 things

It's mathematically impossible to be able to destroy something above an infinite multiverse because that would take beyond infinite amounts of energy. And I actually invented mathematical concepts just to make it mathematically possible. They are called hyperinfinities. The first hyperinfinity is the cardinality of the set of all aleph numbers. The second is the cardinality of the set of all those numbers and so on.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's mathematically impossible to be able to destroy something above an infinite multiverse because that would take beyond infinite amounts of energy. And I actually invented mathematical concepts just to make it mathematically possible. They are called hyperinfinities. The first hyperinfinity is the cardinality of the set of all aleph numbers. The second is the cardinality of the set of all those numbers and so on.

Is this mathematics as you say, at all endorsed?

 

[Rayfire]

It's mathematically impossible to be able to destroy something above an infinite multiverse because that would take beyond infinite amounts of energy. And I actually invented mathematical concepts just to make it mathematically possible. They are called hyperinfinities. The first hyperinfinity is the cardinality of the set of all aleph numbers. The second is the cardinality of the set of all those numbers and so on.

I find it very hard to believe a mathematician is acting like this on a powerscaling forum.

 

[Rayfire]

I think this should be closed at this point, shugunou is not taking any criticism from anyone and acting like we're attacking him everytime anyone makes a good point

 

[Shugunou]

Celestialsapiens also don't meet the tier 0 requirements. You need to be beyond the rest of the verse and literally nobody is allowed to be able to touch that character in terms of scaling. ever. There is no Beyond Omnipotent, because by definition, Omnipotent means to have unlimited power. There's a laundry list of qualifications you need to meet to be tier 0. There's no layers in tier 0, there's no big power gap, you are just "Tier 0" and equal to every other tier 0.

Your character is tier 0 at max, that is how FC/OC works, because that is how Vsbattleswiki works. power for any character you bring up will be judged upon that cross.

what's Infinity + Infinity? Or Infinity x Infinity∞? Infinity. That is tier 0.

If your goal is to make the strongest Manga/Anime character, you've failed by default, because a manga is published, and an anime is... well, animated. Oh, and you also need to be in Japan. because Anime and Manga are by definition Japanese.

Infinity + Infinity is Infinity but a bigger infinity. Infinity squared is the difference between an infinite universe and an infinite multiverse of infinite universes. And no, I don't have to be in Japan. China made an anime and everyone considered it as such. It's like saying you can't make Japanese food if you aren't Japanese. Anime/manga is a style of animation/comic originating in Japan. Anyone can make an animation or comic in that style. Also, anime in Japan just means animation and manga in Japan just means comic. The meanings we use were made by English speakers.

 

[Shugunou]

Okay, well, i don't know why you are posting about this on vsbattles to begin with then, because that's not how it works here lol.

If you don't want to take criticism from people who have actually written stuff like me and vene, and publish your guys on another wiki that allows your bajillion tiers, then you can do that.

Power. level. does. not. determine. character. relevancy. Why are you coming to that conclusion?

I've already made my own wiki and would love to post them there. The problem is that the wiki is still in construction because I have no idea how to navigate fandom.

 

[Shugunou]

I find it very hard to believe a mathematician is acting like this on a powerscaling forum.

I'm not a mathematician. I just have an understanding of math that most non-mathematicians don't. I'm gifted when it comes to math.

 

[Rayfire]

Infinity + Infinity is Infinity but a bigger infinity.

This is just blatantly incorrect math. Adding an infinite amount of apples to an infinite amount of apples is still infinite apples.

 

[Shugunou]

I think this should be closed at this point, shugunou is not taking any criticism from anyone and acting like we're attacking him everytime anyone makes a good point

I'm fine with taking criticism when it is constructive instead of intended to hurt my ego.

 

[Shugunou]

This is just blatantly incorrect math. Adding an infinite amount of apples to an infinite amount of apples is still infinite apples.

A 2 with infinite zeroes is larger than a 1 with infinite zeroes. Both are infinite but one is larger. Infinity is a size, not a number. It refers to infinite numbers.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Yeah no one is on your side here and you are perpetuating completely unnecessary drama. I’m sorry your feelings were hurt but I did nothing wrong and everyone here stands by that.

I'm fine with taking criticism when it is constructive instead of intended to hurt my ego.

I already said it before but when you talk about beyond tier 0 stuff and that 41 tiers business this is just bound to be the case.

 

[Rayfire]

I'm not a mathematician. I just have an understanding of math that most non-mathematicians don't. I'm gifted when it comes to math.

Infinity + Infinity is Infinity but a bigger infinity.

...Sure, man

I'm fine with taking criticism when it is constructive instead of intended to hurt my ego.

I'm explaining to you why almost none of this is a good idea, i'm not attacking you personally at all. In fact vene is probably the most qualified person to give you criticism, he's been writing scripts way longer than me. You're just blowing everything out of proportion

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think this should be closed at this point, shugunou is not taking any criticism from anyone and acting like we're attacking him everytime anyone makes a good point.

honestly, I got involved in this because I am bored.

Infinity + Infinity is Infinity but a bigger infinity. Infinity squared is the difference between an infinite universe and an infinite multiverse of infinite universes.

So... unendorsed jargon when mathematically there is no concept bigger than infinity? some MFer will always make a bigger number, they'll always make a bigger 0, but infinity isn't something you can get past. Until you become in the position to make something bigger than infinity that is official worldwide, you just can't.

And no, I don't have to be in Japan. China made an anime and everyone considered it as such. It's like saying you can't make Japanese food if you aren't Japanese. Anime/manga is a style of animation/comic originating in Japan. Anyone can make an animation or comic in that style. Also, anime in Japan just means animation and manga in Japan just means comic. The meanings we use were made by English speakers.

Okay? And china can say whatever it wants, not exactly about to complain to a dictatorship what it calls anime. And... no, by definition on this wiki you aren't making it above tier 0. Doesn't really matter what you put in or what you say, this isn't the wiki to do your thing in.

 

[Shugunou]

Yeah no one is on your side here and you are perpetuating completely unnecessary drama. I’m sorry your feelings were hurt but I did nothing wrong and everyone here stands by that.

I already said it before but when you talk about beyond tier 0 stuff and that 41 tiers business this is just bound to be the case.

I made a list of the top 10 strongest characters in fiction. My characters were at the top. Then someone revealed to me that they had a character that was also beyond omnipotent and had higher cosmology than mine. Did I start attacking them and saying that was BS? No, I listened to their explanation, agreed with it, and then put their character at the top of the list. I'm completely fine with someone making characters beyond what I've made. If they can figure out how to do so, I support them in doing so. The idea that there is some upper limit to how strong a character can be is dumb to me.

 

[Rayfire]

I made a list of the top 10 strongest characters in fiction. My characters were at the top. Then someone revealed to me that they had a character that was also beyond omnipotent and had higher cosmology than mine. Did I start attacking them and saying that was BS? No, I listened to their explanation, agreed with it, and then put their character at the top of the list.

...I'll just point out that powerscaling is subjective on that one, i think that sums it up

 

[Shugunou]

They likely closed it because the thread is already served the purporsed

It didn't. Arguing about unrelated OCs was not the purpose of the thread.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Point is: There's always someone who's gonna one-up you, always someone who can tinfoil hat their way into making a bigger tier. So I will leave you, @Shugunou, with this quote:

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I made a list of the top 10 strongest characters in fiction. My characters were at the top. Then someone revealed to me that they had a character that was also beyond omnipotent and had higher cosmology than mine. Did I start attacking them and saying that was BS? No, I listened to their explanation, agreed with it, and then put their character at the top of the list.

Yeah, no. The strongest in fiction is pretty much unquantifiable. There’s a probably a trillion characters out there, many of which are entirely unknown and always will be. Also, I can say ‘Kaku dark is the strongest in fiction’ all I want, and that doesn’t make it remotely true. Maybe there’s a debate to be had with your characters, but this is far from the place to do it.

Also you can’t have anything above omnipotent and you can’t just add infinites for a larger number. I think you have a lot of things twisted and need to take a step back for a while. This is an entirely unnecessary argument too.

Also also, autism is not an excuse for anything being done here. I have it myself, and it infuriates me when it’s used as a justification for drama and misunderstandings.

I respectfully request you cut this out.

 

[Shugunou]

Point is: There's always someone who's gonna one-up you, always someone who can tinfoil hat their way into making a bigger tier. So I will leave you, @Shugunou, with this quote:

That's what I was saying. There is no upper limit to how powerful a character can be. But also, if someone can 1-up "the verse that contains absolutely everything whether it exists or not including both fiction and non-fiction", I commend them and will happily add it to the tiers.

 

[Shugunou]

Yeah, no. The strongest in fiction is pretty much unquantifiable. There’s a probably a trillion characters out there, many of which are entirely unknown and always will be. Also, I can say ‘Kaku dark is the strongest in fiction’ all I want, and that doesn’t make it remotely true. Maybe there’s a debate to be had with your characters, but this is far from the place to do it.

Also you can’t have anything above omnipotent and you can’t just add infinites for a larger number. I think you have a lot of things twisted and need to take a step back for a while. This is an entirely unnecessary argument too.

Also also, autism is not an excuse for anything being done here. I have it myself, and it infuriates me when it’s used as a justification for drama and misunderstandings.

I respectfully request you cut this out.

I didn't use autism as a reason for anything other than wanting to share my characters with people. As for the beyond omnipotence thing, that's not at all what I am doing. Aleph Null is the cardinality of the set of all real numbers. The first hyperinfinity is the cardinality of the set of all aleph numbers. It is a higher set of numbers than the Aleph numbers which are infinities.

 

[Rayfire]

But also, if someone can 1-up "the verse that contains absolutely everything whether it exists or not including both fiction and non-fiction", I commend them and will happily add it to the tiers.

But didn't you say your goal was to make the strongest dude in fiction?

I think it should be re-iterated that this plot doesn't sound like anything that necessitates even Low 1-C, let alone all this mumbo-jumbo about a tiering system that nobody uses if you have to make your own wiki for it.

Beyond being the "strongest in fiction" (which is completely impossible and also sounds pretty toxic anyway), why is all of this metaverse/xenoverse stuff even needed for the story? For a story about someone wanting to be the strongest he can be, you don't even need something remotely absurd like tier 2 is. And how would you go about making all this terminology make any sense to normal readers? I'm a powerscaler and not even i understand some of this stuff.

 

[Shugunou]

How about this? Someone here helps me set up my own wiki and you'll never see me again.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I didn't use autism as a reason for anything other than wanting to share my characters with people. As for the beyond omnipotence thing, that's not at all what I am doing. Aleph Null is the cardinality of the set of all real numbers. The first hyperinfinity is the cardinality of the set of all aleph numbers. It is a higher set of numbers than the Aleph numbers which are infinities.

Math mumbo jumbo does not enhance your story or arguments.

 

[Shugunou]

But didn't you say your goal was to make the strongest dude in fiction?

I think it should be re-iterated that this plot doesn't sound like anything that necessitates even Low 1-C, let alone all this mumbo-jumbo about a tiering system that nobody uses if you have to make your own wiki for it.

Beyond being the "strongest in fiction" (which is completely impossible and also sounds pretty toxic anyway), why is all of this metaverse/xenoverse stuff even needed for the story? For a story about someone wanting to be the strongest he can be, you don't even need something remotely absurd like tier 2 is. And how would you go about making all this terminology make any sense to normal readers? I'm a powerscaler and not even i understand some of this stuff.

Just the strongest in anime/manga. The strongest character in fiction is Ares from Arc!Alphatale. I'm not gonna try to surpass that because the only way I know of to make a character that is not beyond omnipotent beyond omnipotent is by combining them with a character that is beyond omnipotent.

 

[Rayfire]

How about this? Someone here helps me set up my own wiki and you'll never see me again.

I'm going to be blunt for a second and say it'd very hard to work with you if you don't listen to criticism from people who are likely far more experienced in writing than you.

 

[Shugunou]

Math mumbo jumbo does not enhance your story or arguments.

Tell mathematicians that aleph numbers are mumbo jumbo and prepare to have your intelligence insulted.

 

[Shugunou]

I'm going to be blunt for a second and say it'd very hard to work with you if you don't listen to criticism from people who are likely far more experienced in writing than you.

As I said before, I listen to constructive criticism intended to make me better.

 

[Rayfire]

Tell mathematicians that aleph numbers are mumbo jumbo and prepare to have your intelligence insulted

We aren't talking about whether they are good concepts or not, we are talking about how well they work in a narrative

 

[Rayfire]

As I said before, I listen to constructive criticism intended to make me better.

It would make your manga much better if you took out all of these random mathematics stuff and made the MC universe level or something like that. That's how we are helping. It'd make way more sense for a plot about someone being the strongest they can be, and that plot on it's own is not good grounds for anything even tier 1

 

[Shugunou]

I just need someone to teach me how to do everything and I'll also need permission to copy some of the rules for VSBW to use for my own wiki. I have no idea how to do formatting, how to give people permissions, how to lock pages, etc.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

the series based on my fursona.

I understand it now

 

[Shugunou]

It would make your manga much better if you took out all of these random mathematics stuff and made the MC universe level or something like that. That's how we are helping. It'd make way more sense for a plot about someone being the strongest they can be, and that plot on it's own is not good grounds for anything even tier 1

That would be to go against the very reason I started working on it to begin with. I'll make another manga where the main character only goes up to universe level but not this one.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Tell mathematicians that aleph numbers are mumbo jumbo and prepare to have your intelligence insulted.

Nice.

I do not believe your use of such things enhances your story. This is why I refer to it as mumbo jumbo.

 

[Rayfire]

That would be to go against the very reason I started working on it to begin with. I'll make another manga where the main character only goes up to universe level but not this one.

Then i'd recommend you drop that reason as well, because making the strongest character in manga is, frankly, a very bad writing goal. Again, look at suggsverse dude

 

[Shugunou]

I understand it now

Are you implying that because I am a furry, there is some problem with me? Because the main people attacking furries right now are anti-queer bigots.

 

[Shugunou]

Then i'd recommend you drop that reason as well, because making the strongest character in manga is, frankly, a very bad writing goal. Again, look at suggsverse dude

The concept of Suggsverse isn't bad. It's the way they wrote it that is bad.