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Why don't Content Moderators hold the same voting power?

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While I can see and understand why Calc Group Members and Image Helpers don't have their opinions hold the same value in CRTs, it's always bothered me that the opinion of Content Mods aren't put on the same pedestal as that of their brethren Thread Mods and above. These staff members fix and contribute to the profiles and pages of the wiki because that's their entire role and purpose, and many of them are unsurprisingly heavily invested in the wiki and are always trying to help out other members of the site. Compare this to Thread Moderators, who are just the archetypal internet janitor who manage threads and tell people to calm down. Both staff deeply care about the wellbeing of the wiki most of the time at least, and try to prevent it from becoming a dumpster fire, so I gotta ask- why aren't the votes of Content Mods counted?
 
Honestly, I share the same concerns, Content Mods do so much to keep the quality of our pages in check and prolly have just as much in-depth understanding of the profiles if not more, so I don't get why their votes aren't considered on equal ground as the red names, green names and bureaucrats.
 
This is about RVR and Maou Gaukin again I suppose?

I'd say it's because CRTs are threads and are thus Thread Monitor's territory but I don't think that makes any sense. I'm not too familiar with the staff structure here, so I would also like to know why.
 
Thread mods aren't only dedicated to avoid discussions breaking rules, part of their duty is also evaluating CRTs by ensuring reliable information is what's added to the pages of the site, meanwhile Content Mods are only obligated to ensure the pages have proper formatting.

However, both Thread and Content Mods have a say when it comes to site-wide stuff, and all kinds of mods also get the staff benefit of posting in staff-only threads without having to ask another staff so long they have something relevant to say.
 
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Thread mods aren't only dedicated to avoid discussions breaking rules, part of their duty is also evaluating CRTs by ensuring reliable information is what's added to the pages of the site, meanwhile Content Mods are only obligated to ensure the pages have proper formatting.

However, both Thread and Content Mods have a say when it comes to site-wide stuff, and all kinds of mods also get the staff benefit of posting in staff-only threads without having to ask another staff so long they have something relevant to say.
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While I appreciate the response, this doesn't really answer my question whatsoever. Yeah, Thread Mods have a say in CRTs, but I didn't have any issues with that and wasn't saying that they suddenly shouldn't have voting powers. And while it's true that Content Mods and every other mod can influence site-wide stuff, I'm specifically asking about why their evaluation in a CRT doesn't count.
 
Gonna sound like a geezer but back in my day we did used to have that level of respect, and we did used to be more reliable.

Times have changed sadly.
 
I think that content mods should have voting rights (this may seem self-serving, but I've declined offers to become admin; I don't need this change if I want voting rights).

Being content mod already requires a lot of familiarity with site rules, and the ability to make judgement calls. Such as needing to be able to tell whether profiles contain information that doesn't pass our standards, to decide whether versus threads have been completed in an appropriate manner.

I think the thing which would make some people able to be content mods but not discussion mods is temperament; the ability to calm down discussions. If you've agreed with someone being content mod, while not thinking that they can evaluate site standards, I think that would've already led to bad outcomes.

Bobsican said:
Thread mods aren't only dedicated to avoid discussions breaking rules, part of their duty is also evaluating CRTs by ensuring reliable information is what's added to the pages of the site, meanwhile Content Mods are only obligated to ensure the pages have proper formatting.

However, both Thread and Content Mods have a say when it comes to site-wide stuff, and all kinds of mods also get the staff benefit of posting in staff-only threads without having to ask another staff so long they have something relevant to say.
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That's not their only obligation; they have to make sure that pages have coherent content that meets site standards and agrees with CRTs, appropriately apply CRTs, and make judgement calls on adding/removing matches from profiles.

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Oh, that's simple, as implied before it's because that isn't part of their duty to begin with, Content Mods aren't certified as reliable on standards for stuff like the Tiering System or Powers and Abilities, which meanwhile is part of the criteria to even be a Thread Mod.
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Discussion mods absolutely aren't certified as reliable on standards for the Tiering System and P&A. There's a reason why we have the Knowledgeable Members List, and why it's not a rare occurrence for non-staff to be called in to evaluate High 1-A verses. Expertise is nowhere near that simple. That's not to say that discussion mods can have no knowledge of these topics, but they're not required to be, and almost never are, our foremost experts on them. They just need to have a base level of familiarity to look at obvious stuff, and call in experts when it's in over their head.
 
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From what I have been told, they are recruited for different purposes. This was Ants response on the matter when it came up in January:

That is correct, yes. Content Moderators, Calc Group Members, and Image Helpers are recruited for entirely different reasons and specialisations.
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That is a problem, yes, but we unfortunately still cannot let staff members who were recruited for entirely different reasons handle discussion thread evaluations, any more than we should let all of our content and thread moderators evaluate calculation blogs.
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I recently asked the question "Why can't Thread Moderators lock and unlock profiles?" and the answer I received was "Because they aren't Content Moderators." So it's a similar concept. That isn't the purpose they are recruited for.
 
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