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White Hair, Red Clothes (EMIYA vs. Dante)

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Because it's Christmas, it's time to see some red and white!

DMC3 Post-DT Dante is used, High 4-C restricted of course.
F/SN EMIYA is used, so essentially both are 6-C.
Starting distance is 1 kilometer.
Speed equalized.
SBA aside from that.

EMIYA:
AP: 26.6 gigatons, 79.9 gigatons with Noble Phantasms
LS: 100 - 300 tons (not really sure tbh)
Dante:
AP: 10.6 gigatons
LS: 112.4 tons
Santa stomps (Inconclusive):
 
I like how this is made every 4 months :v

So, what tier 1 stuff EMIYA has? Not like it matters when the bs chinese stuff happens for DMC
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
I like how this is made every 4 months :v

So, what tier 1 stuff EMIYA has? Not like it matters when the bs chinese stuff happens for DMC
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Surprisingly enough Emiya doesn't have any tier 1 stuff, unless you wanna Call Avalon's attack reflection tier 1 but that's hardly in-character for Emiya to use.

However, all of EMIYA's hax and resistances are 4-D. That can definitely be an issue for Dante considering EMIYA has a ton of in-character things that would one-shot Dante, this is especially an issue if EMIYA isn't dead before he decides to use Unlimited Blade Works, something he can easily stop and start the incantation for while saving his Progress on activating it.
 
Shmooply said:
Shouldn't be too much of an issue. Dante also has 4-D hax and resistances, and some of it also happens to be layered as well, so there's that. How good is Emiya's time stop resistance?
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He's got several layers with Kanshou and Bakuya out, otherwise fairly meh, just one layer if he ain't using them
 
so both of them can't hax each other right ?, so all dante can do is basically turn on devil trigger and one shot emiya, if not what emiya have to prevent dante one shot him
 
Reploidnoridomix said:
so both of them can't hax each other right ?, so all dante can do is basically turn on devil trigger and one shot emiya, if not what emiya have to prevent dante one shot him
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Wrong key of Dante; unless this is for some reason any key but his second then yeh
 
iirc all of the Servant resistances are 5-D to 8-D due to some revision that happened a while back, meaning Dante would have to resort to just his physical attacks in order to get a good hit on EMIYA, and thankfully Dante has deconstruction with Ebony and Ivory, and he can do damage with Rebellion due to it being a really really old magical demon sword owned by Sparda himself

all of his powers are magic driven too
 
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EMIYA's advantages are his range, AP difference, his UBW weapon projections, and his Servant Physiology tanking all of Dante's soul hax, while Dante is far more skilled, can sense his attacks coming from far away, and can damage him due to all of his attacks being magic based

Royal Guard can also just shut down any counterplay on EMIYA's part, unless he pulls out Caladbolg II and higher-D haxxes Dante, and Dante has Deconstruction that outperforms EMIYA's Servant resistance
 
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DaReaperMan said:
also what skill feats does Dante have to keep up with a guy who can stand toe to toe with Cu and Gil for decent amounts of time each?
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uhhhh... literally any of the marksmanship he shows off in any of the games, least of all in the intro cutscene to 3? the fact that all of the guardians of the Teme-Ni-Gru were a cakewalk, which is at the very least 2000 years old? Vergil's insane swordsmanship and Dante keeping up with him in combat almost every time after awakening his devil trigger? Dante's ability to immediately adapt to basically any weapon that's given to him?
 
Scottycj256 said:
uhhhh... literally any of the marksmanship he shows off in any of the games, least of all in the intro cutscene to 3? the fact that all of the guardians of the Teme-Ni-Gru were a cakewalk, which is at the very least 2000 years old? Vergil's insane swordsmanship and Dante keeping up with him in combat almost every time after awakening his devil trigger? Dante's ability to immediately adapt to basically any weapon that's given to him?
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So like, your average Holy Grail War and what EMIYA literally has done? Artoria kept up with though was eventually overwhelmed by one of the biggest skill monsters in fate and EMIYA is capable of standing toe to toe with her. expierience=/=skill. Vergil tends to blitz everyone he fights to show this swordsmanship and adapting to every weapon isn't really a skill feat, it just gives Dante plenty of options to be stolen by EMIYA
 
This is DMC5 Dante so I can use everything. This isn't DMC5 Dante so half of what I said is irrelevant.

Sparda is known as the best swordmaster in hell, etc, etc. The guy was so good and so amazing he could fight a whole army and the big bad. He had 2 apprentices and he teached them his own style and all that, they have been honing their skills for the past 2000 years, we will come back to them later.

Dante and Vergil were taught by Sparda when they were kids.

Gilver, is a puppet, an armor made with the combat date of Sparda, Dante and Vergil, the guy is a master who gave Dante a ton of trouble but he observed and analyzed him and learned how to trade blows with him even when being weaker and slower, there are even points that his skill overwhelms Gilver and he only survives cuz bigger dura. Mind you this is a Dante who just remembered everything and wasn't using anything skill related in years.

In DMC3 he fights Vergil (learned from Sparda) multiple times, a master on his own right and after a boost in power they were fighting in equal grounds with Dante eventually growing past him.

Later in DMC1 he fights Nelo, his skill with the sword had increased to the point he was the only real threat to Dante (besides Mundus) and even years after he remembers him as the most dangerous foe for that.

In the Anime he fights the 2 guys Sparda was teaching as he wanted to fight someone who had learned his father's style and had been getting better for the last 2000 years, Dante destroyed him casually after taking the battle more seriously, immediately after destroyed the older of the apprentices (iirc he even mocked them for their style)

Now this is were it gets juicy, a seasoned Dante fights Chen, someone who had all of Sparda's power and more and a weapon that allows him to watch the future, past, present, etc. Not only that but he learned all of Sparda's skill by using said weapon and even after having the advange of being able to kinda precog Dante and all the skill of Sparda he was still lacking, in Dante's words it was a "soulless" fighting style which made him angry and proceeded to one shot him despite the clear gap in power (Earl level of skill wank I guess)

Then there is 4 where he is stated to have skills beyond his father and finally there is 5, Vergil comes back stronger that ever and they fight, fight and fight even more for 1 month... and Dante still has the edge over him defeating him in a fight in the ending of the game just before the credits.
 
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And we're sure Sparda didn't just AP stomp the rest of the demons besides Mundus? Cause that's only an actual skill feat if the army was comparable to Sparda/could harm him and he didn't blitz them.

Outside of that the only good thing I see is that precog, which could prove a real issue since Dante beat that person.
 
Is age really matters? Then 2000 is quite cute for someone who have lived in 12000+BC the twin gods in Olympus and those 2 considered Heracles better than them and Emiya is able to kill Heracles multiple times.
 
There are demons comparable to Sparda, or rather there were demons comparable to sparda

The precog thing, Dante was evolving in the fight to the point it stopped working on him so that ain't gonna work here

I mean, only if the people that are that old have used that time to train I guess, that and the experience (something the people I said have been doing)
 
Adding onto Tony's point. Dante has busted Accelerated Development in combat skill department, picking up new fighting styles and adapting on the fly.

He also has busted Accelerated Development for speed and power, so he only gets faster and stronger inside combat. And Reactive Evolution means he can gain resistance and abilities on the fly.

His instinctive reactions are so good...that he can dodge attacks while INSIDE an Omnipresent void from countless directions.
And he has really good senses. Power sense, magic sense, Danger sense...along with "mathematical" style analystical prediction for keeping track of beings who are faster than his visual perceptions.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
There are demons comparable to Sparda, or rather there were demons comparable to sparda

The precog thing, Dante was evolving in the fight to the point it stopped working on him so that ain't gonna work here

I mean, only if the people that are that old have used that time to train I guess, that and the experience (something the people I said have been doing)
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Basically, there were an unknown amount of demons comparable to Sparda, so I basically can't properly gage the feat.

Uh yeah, I didn't say anything further about pr3cog for that reason.
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Adding onto Tony's point. Dante has busted Accelerated Development in combat skill department, picking up new fighting styles and adapting on the fly.

He also has busted Accelerated Development for speed and power, so he only gets faster and stronger inside combat. And Reactive Evolution means he can gain resistance and abilities on the fly.

His instinctive reactions are so good...that he can dodge attacks while INSIDE an Omnipresent void from countless directions.
And he has really good senses. Power sense, magic sense, Danger sense...along with "mathematical" style analystical prediction for keeping track of beings who are faster than his visual perceptions.
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Okay he's going to need to do this countless times.

Okay that doesn't help with getting one-shot immediately by UBW, Okay that means nothing without feats.

Okay infinite/immeasurable speed feat, next.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Okay he's going to need to do this countless times.

Okay that doesn't help with getting one-shot immediately by UBW, Okay that means nothing without feats.

Okay infinite/immeasurable speed feat, next.
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that's ez

dodge ez

dodging shit thrown at immeasurable speed levels while laughing your ass off and barely taking noticing you are in a fight

whats good there?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Okay he's going to need to do this countless times
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Explain.

DaReaperMan said:
Okay that doesn't help with getting one-shot immediately
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It allows him to blitz Emiya.
Also transformations on top of this....which is like >>>20x speed increase on his base.

DaReaperMan said:
Okay infinite/immeasurable speed feat, next
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You don't get speed feats for that lmao. Not unless you are Sonic/Solaris. Its exactly as the text says. Instinctive Reactions feat.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
that's ez

dodge ez

dodging shit thrown at immeasurable speed levels while laughing your ass off and barely taking noticing you are in a fight

whats good there?
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Not when it could overwhelm Dante with each weapon in UBW having a different style

If it blitzed then it's a stomp, easy as that.

And it's still just plain speed, ya need more context for IR then just "Well he wasn't really paying attention"
 
And uhhhh its actually in-character to pull out Caladbold. Because all of his fights in FSN were surprise attack so all of his showing were melee. But in FHA and Grand Order he always go for big attacks when in range.
 
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