White Face VS Monika

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Actualy, hes powernull is done through data manipulation, monika has no data period

 

[Kellex]

Necro.

Talk about it in a different thread.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, look up the rule. Necro only aplies if I dont bring up any important fact

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

White Face can powernull the Player of all things, so yes.

Also, you do realize that Monika's "upgrade" doesn't change anything, right? She was treated as non-existent in this matchup before it was a proper ability, it's just more justified now.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But his powernull is done directly through data manipulation

 

[Jinsye]

White Face is kind of a void... so yeah he can likely percieve and interact with non-existents.

Also, I don't think his pnull is done through Data Manipulation?

 

[Kaltias]

Has hes powernull ever shown to null a state of being like that, hell, can he even percieve a nonexistent?

Power null has absolutely nothing to do with nonexistent physiology.

WF himself is nonexistent

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Hes profile directly states hes made out of information and his powernull is explained in his data manipulation

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

wf fra

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I feel like you're wanking the hell out of Nonexistent Physiology a bit there, Ricisi

Like I said, she already had it before, it just wasn't a full power back then. And both have it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And being nonexistent does not make him capable of erasing one

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But i am not.

She got nonexistence through lacking data

WF uses data manipulation to powernull

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

As for both having it, i am not arguing for monika.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"But i am not"

Everywhere I've been looking, you've been using it as an unbeatable ability that makes you immune to nigh-every hax. Like I've said, when this match was said, Monika was already considered non-existent. This "upgrade" does not change anything.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It can be surpassed, obviously, but it does counter data manipulation in this case.

and WF directly uses data manipulation as powernull

 

[DodoNova2]

Need help?

 

[Kellex]

Something still confuses me.

What kind of Nonexistent Physiology does she have?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

WF can use his Data Manip to affect things way beyond the scope of the game, when Monika's "lack of data" is only within the scale of the game. Her lacking a file won't stop him, given that The Player does not have data either.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The complete one

 

[Kaltias]

Physical

 

[Jinsye]

The kind where you don't exist.

Or Physical, like Kal said.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I would apreciate if someone either afgirmed or debunked that data manip of EF can count non existence with some logic or proof before that

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Physical

And mental,. Chr files contain minds as well

 

[Kaltias]

Monika doesn't have complete nonexistence at all.

That's for people who literally embody nothingness itself.

Mental nonexistence means that people can't remember you

 

[Jinsye]

@Ricsi

White Face powernulled the player.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Player is kind of beyond what Monika's lack of data is.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Well, that does not particularly matter here, as she has no data

 

[Kaltias]

Neither does the player, but here we are

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi

White Face powernulled the player.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Player is kind of beyond what Monika's lack of data is.

He affected the avatar of the player much like monika did with her own player

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Neither does the player, but here we are

Is his avatar ever stated to not have it?

 

[DodoNova2]

Need help?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

About 80% of the actions the player takes aren't through its avatar, so that argument is null.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And the only exemples given that white face has done to the player are the avatar, like running and ammo negation

 

[VoidGoji]

Monika's nonexistence is just that she doesn't really exist in the conventional sense.


Complete non-existence is the same as being nonexistence itself

 

[Jinsye]

"Can prevent an opponent from acting, be it simply moving physically or using powers such as time manipulation, even if such attacks do not require movements"

mmhmm

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

WF negates the Player's ability to leave the game, and one of the instances of nulling them from running is done through breaking one of the key on their keyboard, which would affect far more than just the physical avatar.

Also, again, NEP doesn't protect you from null.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Which monika dies too, by changing the data in game.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It does not protect from powernull, but it does protect from data manipultaion

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Again, the scope of Imscared's "data" far exceeds that of DDLC's, so saying that Monika has "no data" has no importance at all.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Youll need to expand on that a bit, because dokis data is reality itself, mind, plot and law manipulation on its own

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Can you stop shoving every single ability of both of these characters into Data Manipulation like it's all just the same ability? Technically, everything and anything they do is Data Manipulation, so assuming that Monika is immune to Data Manipulation is a huge NLF.