White Face Ability Downgrades

[The_Causality]

Well, Dunoo what is it then

 

[PaChi2]

Imscared ending

For anyone who is not familiar.

 

[The_Causality]

^ It's like a fusion between Minecraft and Undetale

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I'll love to see Saikou's possible counterargument before saying anything else, but I agree with Assalt.

 

[DMB_1]

bump

 

[Andytrenom]

I am neutral on the Power null nerf and would really like to see what Saikou has to say on that matter.

One thing I'll say is that I think White Face breaking the shift key should be acknowledged as an application of his power null.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I agree with almost everything. One thing tho.

White Face is able to prevent the player from running by "breaking your shift key" which is more removing one's ability to carry out an action than causing a physical ailment.

I think this is more in line with Power Null than Status effect inducement and if him immobilizing the player works in a similar manner, it would be powernull as well.

That's negation

 

[The_Causality]

Negation =~= PNull

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Negation =~= PNull

False. Power Null is surpressing a ability while negation is preventing its activation

 

[Andytrenom]

@Yobo Preventing an ability from being activated is powernull.

 

[DMB_1]

Negation usually prevents the activation of an ability, but not always: sometimes it can be used against continous abilities, like Attack Reflection or Invulnerability.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Neither is true here. He is neither nullifying or stopping it's activation. He is simply hiding his data from being erased.

It's not that the player can't, it that they don't know where to erase.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Ricsi Ummm. We are talking about White Face breaking the shift key, not hiding his heart.

 

[DMB_1]

Neither is true here. He is neither nullifying or stopping it's activation. He is simply hiding his data from being erased.
It's not that the player can't, it that they don't know where to erase.

This sounds very game-mechanic based, kind of like Sans not passing his turn in the battle against him.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Yobo Preventing an ability from being activated is powernull.

Nah, it's why power null is a subsection of negation

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi Ummm. We are talking about White Face breaking the shift key, not hiding his heart.

Ah, my bad.

Where is that again? I only remember the "please be quiet" area, and you are plain killed there if you run.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Ricsi It happens in the industrialish area at one point. I remember it from Mark's playthrough.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I'll try to look it up. I kinda feel it relies on in-verse mechanics (read game mechanics) too much tough. If the player didn't need the keeyboard to interact with that reality it wouldn't really work.

It shouldn't be any more legit like stuff with sans' never giving you his turn.


I've always found abilities that rely on stuff liek this difficult to discern in stuff like this.

 

[PaChi2]

Inb4 "Absolute power null" for sans via not giving his turn.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He only powernulls a characters ability to act, move, run away, be merciful, talk and use any attack...

 

[PaChi2]

He only powernulls a characters ability to act, move, run away, be merciful, talk and use any attack...

White Face has been said to null everything for ages.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

>White Face loses power null

This gives Yu-Gi-Oh the strongest 3-D null on the wiki

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What..? He can at most restrict the players avatar, which is the equivalent of a 3D projection. he cannot even affect the player himself.

 

[The_Causality]

This gives Yu-Gi-Oh the strongest 3-D null on the wiki </div>

How consist his PNull?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

His? Yugioh is a verse...

 

[DMB_1]

How consist his PNull?

At its best, Monsters cannot attacks, activate their effects (even if those are passive), change position, and are shown to be completely paralized or even petrified in the animes.

And yes, some Monsters can resist those levels of powernull.

 

[The_Causality]

?

How it work?

@DMB 1 Thx

 

[Yobo_Blue]

At its best, Monsters cannot attacks, activate their effects (even if those are passive), change position, and are shown to be completely paralized or even petrified in the animes.

And yes, some Monsters can resist those levels of powernull.

Yeah, and this works on nearly everything in the verse

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Let's not derail with discussions of YuGiOh, please.

 

[DMUA]

Heckmata

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Don't make saikou-sama sad

 

[The_Causality]

It's still not resistance to erasure. Resistance to erasure implies he can resist the actual act of erasing, not just avoid it happening.
I do agree that Information Analysis wouldn't allow you to see it, but good levels of clairvoyance should allow you to see him.

But the problem is you can't erase him until you reveal his heart, he still resist if he doen't reveal it

So i agree with a Limited Resistance which can be bypassed if you snipe his heart

 

[OpMasada]

I guess i can support that logic

 

[Assaltwaffle]

But that isn't resistance though. That's like calling Invisibility "resistance to targeted attacks". He doesn't resist it. Having an ability to avoid something is not resistance, its avoidance.

 

[The_Causality]

Huh, I'am not sure, even if you give you an invisibility with his heart, he can still resist to the erasure of the Player until you snipe his heart, His body is "resistant" but his heart nah

 

[DMB_1]

He's more so countering EE, rather than actually resisting it.

And like I said before, this sounds very game-mechanic based, like Sans not passing his trun to let you kill him.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I oppose all of these downgrades

 

[DMB_1]

I oppose all of these downgrades

Explain us why.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

WF's form of Information Manipulation is similar to conceptual manipulation anyway, so it's essentially the same

Also I'm in love with Saikou

Also how could literally living data not have type 5?