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But either way i agree that the use of the ability is very unlikely
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Frisk can fight through many deaths without losing the will to as seen though as average sans fight.So uhhh, if that's the case, I'll vote Death since Frisk would probably lose the will to fight before Death, and neither can permanently get rid of the other
I mean risk never spared Shyren in the Genocide run and wouldn't hear her sing it and thus would be able to use the sing ACT.You could make the argument that in Frisk doesn’t have the ability in genocide or more likely scenario is that they didn’t use it because they didn’t have to or thought it would be a pathetic way to win
Death is sadistic though. He will definitely resort to torture which is way worse than sans hoping frisk just gets frustrated and gives up.Frisk can fight through many deaths without losing the will to as seen though as average sans fight.
Yeah thats what i was talking about but since i didn’t specify what version of frisk this is i guess its probably just frisk on a neutral run so they might have this abilityI mean risk never spared Shyren in the Genocide run and wouldn't hear her sing it and thus would be able to use the sing ACT.
Fair but Death upscales from his feat so the ap difference probably isnt even that bad.They have an AP advantage (0.017 tons vs. >0.044 Tons) which they can amplify with Clear Mind and Flex.
they didn't really overcome asriel they just social influenced them which wouldnt work on deathWhile Death's skill is impressive I think Frisk should take still overall. With no prior combat experience, they were able to overcome the likes of the Royal Guards, Undyne, Asgore, and even Asriel Dreemurr in his God of Hyperdeath form.
FairFrisk can also quickly adapt to and dodge various bullet hell attacks from the likes of many different monsters the height of which being Sans and Asriel.
I mean he's death you can infer that he wouldn't "Die" for any amount of time he probably never dies at allFrisks LOAD's are a lot more reliable than Deaths type 8 immortality which we never see used. For all we know Death can take days or even years for death to come back to life.
Theyve never used flight in a fight so it probably won't help. And death could teleport or use his illusion manip to confuse frisk so that they cant hit they shots no more.With their phone, Frisk can fly with their jetpack or use Yellow Mode to spam shots from a distance.
Yeah fairFrisk has better stamina feats being able to withstanding hordes of attacks from numerous different monsters without any signs of tiring. Frisk can also stay conscious at less than hundred billionth of their health.
This probably won't help at all tbhCHECK will show Frisk Death's stats and emotional state which can help them strategize ways to end the battle.
It's only for a couple seconds so im doubtful it'll help at allFrisk gets temp Invulnerability on hit which should help them minimize damage from attacks.
Death only appeared out of a personal vendetta for Puss so given he can just manifest on a whim it seems more likely he can't die at all
- Frisks LOAD's are a lot more reliable than Deaths type 8 immortality which we never see used. For all we know Death can take days or even years for death to come back to life.
This is a Peak Frisk feat
- Frisk has better stamina feats being able to withstanding hordes of attacks from numerous different monsters without any signs of tiring. Frisk can also stay conscious at less than hundred billionth of their health.
This should be a nonissue. Death only specifically went after Puss because he wanted to kill him for not valuing his lives, implying it's not the norm and he never goes out of his way to kill. So Death is just naturally skilled.
- While Death's skill is impressive I think Frisk should take still overall. With no prior combat experience, they were able to overcome the likes of the Royal Guards, Undyne, Asgore, and even Asriel Dreemurr in his God of Hyperdeath form.
Frisk also upscales being = Asgore who is >> Undyne > Mettaton/0.044 Tons.Fair but Death upscales from his feat so the ap difference probably isnt even that bad.
Frisk still outlasted his Danmaku and eventually overcame him by instilling emotions within him.they didn't really overcome asriel they just social influenced them which wouldnt work on death
I mean he's death you can infer that he wouldn't "Die" for any amount of time he probably never dies at all
Even if he can't die Frisk can still incap by knocking him out or severely injuring him.Death only appeared out of a personal vendetta for Puss so given he can just manifest on a whim it seems more likely he can't die at all
I mean Frisk has shown great proficiency with Yellow Soul mode in Mettaton's fight where they quickly react to Mini Mettatons and cross bombs even as they reverse and come from behind them.Theyve never used flight in a fight so it probably won't help. And death could teleport or use his illusion manip to confuse frisk so that they cant hit they shots no more.
It would show that Death is slightly weaker than them and it might clue them in that Death won't fall for SI and incaping would be better.This probably won't help at all tbh
Frisk is able to match trained guards with zero prior lighting experience. They can also match Asgore who has hundreds of years of combat experience They can also avoid Danmaku from Sans (Who can do this and this) and Asriel (Who can do this and this)This should be a nonissue. Death only specifically went after Puss because he wanted to kill him for not valuing his lives, implying it's not the norm and he never goes out of his way to kill. So Death is just naturally skilled.
Also, considering Death is equal in skill to and is the first to tag Puss who had never been cut by a blade in combat despite it being his entire line of work and whose 'light work' is this, I don't see how Frisk is superior in that department just by fighting more opponents.
Yeah but this just straight up wont work on deathFrisk still outlasted his Danmaku and eventually overcame him by instilling emotions within him.
Given the massive skill disadvantage i feel like it's pretty unlikely frisk is gonna be able to hit him consistently enough to incap him. Especially with teleportation and illusions. (Also theres a chance death could just make it so Frisk cant see or hear him)Even if he can't die Frisk can still incap by knocking him out or severely injuring him.
They never actually fought him there so they probably cant fight when flying. Even then death could use illusions to make it harder to dodge his attacks.I mean Frisk has shown great proficiency with Yellow Soul mode in Mettaton's fight where they quickly react to Mini Mettatons and cross bombs even as they reverse and come from behind them.
If anything this would probably give frisk a false sense of confidence similar to what happened with sans.It would show that Death is slightly weaker than them and it might clue them in that Death won't fall for SI and incaping would be better.
Imo those guards arent anywhere near as skilled as puss
The problem is that we don't really know what that is beyond vaguenessFrisk is able to match trained guards with zero prior lighting experience. They can also match Asgore who has hundreds of years of combat experience
Not really. Living for hundreds of years =/= fighting for hundreds of years. The most amount of fighting we know Asgore has done is dealing with children that appear every now and then and probably participating in the human-monsters war, which wasn't centuries long.Hundreds of years of combat experience
Frisk can deal with sans who spams TP and time-stop in the latter half of his fight and iirc Death never uses TP when in direct combat in the movie. Also even if you don't give Frisk the overall skill advantage, their dodging ability should be more than enough to avoid Death's blows.Given the massive skill disadvantage i feel like it's pretty unlikely frisk is gonna be able to hit him consistently enough to incap him. Especially with teleportation and illusions. (Also theres a chance death could just make it so Frisk cant see or hear him)
I don't think his Illusions will work very well in the judgment hall due to the lack of reflective surfaces that he can project into.They never actually fought him there so they probably cant fight when flying. Even then death could use illusions to make it harder to dodge his attacks.
If anything this would probably give frisk a false sense of confidence similar to what happened with sans.
Timestop is barely a problem since he only uses them to set up attacks and sans doesn’t use his tp that much in a fight so frisk might be somewhat familiar with it but not so much where its like second nature to deal with.Frisk can deal with sans who spams TP and time-stop in the latter half of his fight and irrc Death never uses TP when in direct combat in the movie. Also even if you don't give Frisk the overall skill advantage, their dodging ability should be more than enough to avoid Death's blows.
Those quarts pillars are probably pretty shiny. Also he uses illusions on non reflective surfaces. Even if he can't he can always make himself invisible and attack from there.I don't think his Illusion will work very well in the judgment hall due to the lack of reflective surfaces that he can project into.
I'm pretty sure those are just hallucinations from Puss' Panic Attack and I don't think Death would go invisible mid-battle in character.Those quarts pillars are probably pretty shiny. Also he uses illusions on non reflective surfaces. Even if he can't he can always make himself invisible and attack from there.
Pretty damn detailed hallucinations. But maybe.I'm pretty sure those are just hallucinations from Puss' Panic Attack and I don't think Death would go invisible mid-battle in character.
What? We're discussing which characters would lose the will to fight first, one has supernatural willpower, the other one doesn't. Frisk has vastly better stamina feats. There's literally no answer to who gives up first other than Death. Frisk literally doesn't have a power beyond Determination. The idea that Frisk would give up first is objectively wrong.So uhhh, if that's the case, I'll vote Death since Frisk would probably lose the will to fight before Death, and neither can permanently get rid of the other
Based on deaths personality and reason for hunting frisk no he wouldn’t give up first. Especially when you consider that only Frisk would remember them resetting as far as death is concerned he only killed Frisk onceWhat? We're discussing which characters would lose the will to fight first, one has supernatural willpower, the other one doesn't. Frisk has vastly better stamina feats. There's literally no answer to who gives up first other than Death. Frisk literally doesn't have a power beyond Determination. The idea that Frisk would give up first is objectively wrong.
We already discussed why Social Influencing wont work on deathIf anything, Frisk's SI + them valuing life far more than the average would make the process incredibly quick. Death only hunted Puss in Boots because he didn't value life, and gave up the moment he did. Frisk quite frankly values life by an unbelievable amount.
Same thing here we already discussed why this wouldn’t work on deathAdditionally, referring back to the PiB wiki, Death literally gives up the moment Puss (a) appreciates the value of life and (b) starts fighting back.x
He gave up literally the moment Puss started fighting back and said verbatim that he only hunted him because of his personality. Frisk isn't arrogant and they value life immensely. He wouldn't give a shit.Based on deaths personality and reason for hunting frisk no he wouldn’t give up first.
Frankly I am not convinced, Death was only ever shown acting due to Puss's arrogance and there's no corollary for that here.We already discussed why Social Influencing wont work on death
I'm not describing something that "wouldn't work", I'm recapping the objective plot of the movie. Death gives up when he doesn't see an arrogant personality in Puss in Boots. He doesn't see that in Frisk, so he would give up. There's no proof that he'd be so fixated on attacking Frisk that'd he suddenly develop enough will to counter Frisk's supernatural willpower (again, Frisk's will is a superpower and Death's is not, he'd give up quicker by default), especially since he never, ever attacked Puss in Boots until he was at most arrogant with one life remaining.Same thing here we already discussed why this wouldn’t work on death
"Value life immensely" Yeah hell nah idk what we deem as canon or not but a Genocide run is literally Frisk getting bored and trying something new.He gave up literally the moment Puss started fighting back and said verbatim that he only hunted him because of his personality. Frisk isn't arrogant and they value life immensely. He wouldn't give a shit.
Death himself also says he hates that Puss has multiple lives. Death would ******* abhor FriskFrankly I am not convinced, Death was only ever shown acting due to Puss's arrogance and there's no corollary for that here.
Torture, Deaths hatred of people with immortality and the fact that Death kinda would only be going after Frisk for the soul purpose of permanently killing them, he would 100% keep trying until Frisk dies. Also Death wouldn’t be able to remember Frisks deaths so him getting bored wouldn’t be as easy because HE would have to die multiple times for that to happen which is unlikely given the massive difference in skillI'm not describing something that "wouldn't work", I'm recapping the objective plot of the movie. Death gives up when he doesn't see an arrogant personality in Puss in Boots. He doesn't see that in Frisk, so he would give up. There's no proof that he'd be so fixated on attacking Frisk that'd he suddenly develop enough will to counter Frisk's supernatural willpower (again, Frisk's will is a superpower and Death's is not, he'd give up quicker by default), especially since he never, ever attacked Puss in Boots until he was at most arrogant with one life remaining.
No. He gave up when Puss started valuing his last life, which, to Death, took the fun out of killing himHe gave up literally the moment Puss started fighting back and said verbatim that he only hunted him because of his personality. Frisk isn't arrogant and they value life immensely. He wouldn't give a shit.
See that goes against SBA. If not for that, Death wouldn't give a shitI'm not describing something that "wouldn't work", I'm recapping the objective plot of the movie. Death gives up when he doesn't see an arrogant personality in Puss in Boots. He doesn't see that in Frisk, so he would give up. There's no proof that he'd be so fixated on attacking Frisk that'd he suddenly develop enough will to counter Frisk's supernatural willpower (again, Frisk's will is a superpower and Death's is not, he'd give up quicker by default), especially since he never, ever attacked Puss in Boots until he was at most arrogant with one life remaining.
Honestly the argument that Frisk would just give up is pretty laughable.
Because they were possessed from Chara, heck Chara has literally a key for that thing in their profile.Then why didn’t they do this on sans when they realized sparing wouldn’t work? I really can't see frisk using this on death unless their bloodlusted
Could Death just go invisible and just cut off his arms and legs?
That ain't happening.For starters, Death is weaker than Frisk here (Frisk greatly upscales from 187.28 MJ and Death performed casually a 74.745 MJ feat, aka there's a x2.51 gap here).
Death only gave up because Puss learned to value his own life and stopped chasing more lives. Thid doesn't apply to Frisk who death knows can reset and revive himself infinitely, quite literally cheating Death. Safe to say given what we saw that he'll be extremely pissedAdditionally, referring back to the PiB wiki, Death literally gives up the moment Puss (a) appreciates the value of life and (b) starts fighting back. He says it himself that he was hunting Puss because he saw an 'an arrogant little legend who thought he was immortal' but doesn't see it in him anymore. He wasn't motivated simply by Puss having multiple lives, it was his personality that was driving him, and once that changed, Death instantly ***** off.
He'd give up hilariously quickly, Death wouldn't even be the most determined character Frisk has SI'd.
So, if Death can't stop Frisk from reviving and wouldn't know he can do that, what's his wincons? Since he can't permanently get rid of him
I deleted the og message because I did not read this part.Death has prior Knowledge of Frisk's ability
Forgot that, ignore my last message thenI deleted the og message because I did not read this part.
Well Death will never stop trying to kill Frisk since he knows about his reset. If there's one thing that Death hates is those who cheats him, and Frisks' resets are far worse than anything Puss in Boots didBut regardless... He still cannot stop Frisk from reviving, that's true.