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Yeah seems fine so far, though some like Azathoth suffer from "cant be properly rated so they're Unknown"itus.Tier 0 is done.
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Yeah seems fine so far, though some like Azathoth suffer from "cant be properly rated so they're Unknown"itus.Tier 0 is done.
Oh, yaYeah seems fine so far, though some like Azathoth suffer from "cant be properly rated so they're Unknown"itus.
I meant will it be mandatory or required for whenever we create or edit profiles.We already do that.
Because I never add it to list. It is not official.the bot doesn't seem to pick up on that either.
We do have standards, they are never properly followed.Basically what I'm trying to say is that, since we don't have stamina standards that are set in stone,
These are not by me and neither by my bot. Look at it careful.
Alrighty, if it’s fixed now, that’s good.If I am not wrong, this was before figuring out that there is inconsistent formatting in pages. Which I fixed it later.
If you’re talking about the guidelines, I don’t believe those are standards in the sense that we require them to be followed.We do have standards, they are never properly followed.
Because of this and the inherent variability of stamina, it is difficult to create a comprehensive and consistent universal ranking system for these feats, although some guidelines can be established. Because of this, it is best to explain and source examples of a character's stamina feats rather than simply state a generalised rating.
Something that’s also established through precedence as well iirc.To reiterate, these are only basic guidelines and should not be treated as a replacement for proper explanations, sources, and justifications. Please avoid generic terms such as "high" or "very high" and so on, as well
These are not by me and neither by my bot. Look at it careful.
If this is an issue w/ the bot coding,
Extra work.Though is there a way to simultaneously fix this as well, or would that be a lot of extra work?
Our Intelligence, Range, and Stamina statistics should also mostly have the first letters in their words capitalised.For stamina, on this page, the "infinite" got bolded perfectly fine, and on this page the "Average" also got bolded perfectly fine... probably because both "Average" and "Infinte" are listed under the Basic Guidelines.
However, on this page, it only bolded the word "average" instead of the full "Above Average," and it outright ignored the "Endless" part. Here it ignored the "Limitless." Moreover, I know we advise against using words like "High" and "Very High," but many pages still have it, and the bot doesn't seem to pick up on that either.
As far as I am aware, our stamina standards are set in stone, but "Limitless" and "Endless" stamina should preferably be changed to "Infinite", yes.Basically what I'm trying to say is that, since we don't have stamina standards that are set in stone, it will likely be hard to target specific words for the stamina section for this change. We could try to focus on words like the ones I listed above (commonly used ones that are not specified on the Basic guidelines, i.e., limitless, endless, etc) but I don't know how much more inclusive that would be.
Okay. Thank you for helping out.Also, not nearly a big issue, but there seems to be some capitalization mistakes here and there (like here [intelligence], here [range]). If this is an issue w/ the bot coding, it should probably be addressed because while incorrect capitalization isnt a major problem, if the bot changes it on thousands of pages later on, that probably wouldn't be good.]
Not mandatory yes, as far as I know, but highly preferable.I meant will it be mandatory or required for whenever we create or edit profiles.
Noted. I added this to my code.As far as I am aware, our stamina standards are set in stone, but "Limitless" and "Endless" stamina should preferably be changed to "Infinite", yes.
They were undercapitalized before I added bolding to them. I don't think it is possible to capitalise them and bold them simultaneously.Okay. Thank you for helping out.
Also, Endless is not an appropriate term by our standards, my bot (or my code) goes through the basic standards. High and Low are not even defined, I got suggestion from @Mr._Bambu that we replace every instance of High to "At least Above Average" and every instance of Low to "At most Below Average" or simply do it list it as “unknown”.
Thank you.Noted. I added this to my code.
Okay. That is unfortunate. Can you ask Kai-kun about this for input help?They were undercapitalized before I added bolding to them. I don't think it is possible to capitalise them and bold them simultaneously.
I think that "High" and "Low" should probably be changed to "Unknown" instead.I have a question regarding this:
Alright, I need more staff opinion because those two terms are very famous, and we may get half of 30k pages turning it to “unknown”.I think that "High" and "Low" should probably be changed to "Unknown" instead.
Endless is not an appropriate term by our standards, my bot (or my code) goes through the basic standards. High and Low are not even defined, I got suggestion from @Mr._Bambu that we replace every instance of High to "At least Above Average" and every instance of Low to "At most Below Average" or simply do it list it as “unknown”.
I think that "High" and "Low" should probably be changed to "Unknown" instead.
@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Agnaa @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrathAlright, I need more staff opinion because those two terms are very famous, and we may get half of 30k pages turning it to “unknown”.
I think it depends on the page@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Agnaa @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath
What do you think?
I think that "High" and "Low" are far too unspecific (do not provide almost any information on their own) to do anything but change them to "Unknown" instead.
Provided my opinion to Dread last night. Do you want something more?@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Agnaa @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath
What do you think?
I think that "High" and "Low" are far too unspecific (do not provide almost any information on their own) to do anything but change them to "Unknown" instead.
If the page explains the rating it should be easy enough to rate. Worst case someone revises it at a later date.Making 10 to 20 second judgement calls while speed-editing does not seem to be a good idea
Ya, but we are going for mass-edit. I can't realistically evaluate every page (this is 30k pages project)Go off the justification and change to the rating you think fits it, and if there is nothing then go with "Unknown"
Options are either "High = Above Average, Low = Below Average" or we make them all unknown.that "High" and "Low" are far too unspecific (do not provide almost any information on their own) to do anything but change them to "Unknown" instead.
I mean there are evidently a lot of issues with doing a straight mass edit as is, due to stuff like "higher" vs "far higher", and a lot of pages having an explanation for one of those sections only but without a rating soYa, but we are going for mass-edit. I can't realistically evaluate every page (this is 30k pages project)
"At least Above Average/Below Average".Options are either "High = Above Average, Low = Below Average" or we make them all unknown.
Imo it's better to give them something, but Unknown is thr safer choice.
Well a reevaluation would be appreciated, given that I think that your suggested approach would add a lot of very inaccurate and misleading statistics to a massive amount of pages.Provided my opinion to Dread last night. Do you want something more?
Dread will not have sufficient time to do this in a well-informed manner for thousands of pages, and Unknown is a better option for replacing it later, as "High" and "Low" are meaningless extremely unspecific terms.If the page explains the rating it should be easy enough to rate. Worst case someone revises it at a later date.
I don't think leaving a bunch of pages as Unknown is much better.
Well a reevaluation would be appreciated, given that I think that your suggested approach would add a lot of very inaccurate and misleading statistics to a massive amount of pages.
Alright, I didn't read the above conversation above this point, so I had thought you were aware.I think that "High" and "Low" should probably be changed to "Unknown" instead.
Thank you.Options are either "High = Above Average, Low = Below Average" or we make them all unknown.
Imo it's better to give them something, but Unknown is thr safer choice.
Yes, but unknown just means that we do not know what the people who wrote "High" or "Low" mean, which we generally do not, or at least Dread does not have the time to evaluate it all sufficiently well.I'd prefer just changing them to Above Average/Below Average (no "at least"s or anything, since trying to do so would heavily complicate the script for not much gain), and leaving verse supporters to clean it up. Especially since changing to Unknown would leave them still needing to clean it up, anyway.
Thank you.But I wouldn't mind if we just changed them to Unknown.
What do you mean? For example, Intelligence and Stamina ratings that blatantly contradict our standards, can already be modified by our higher staff members, based on the information within the character pages they were placed in.I'd also suggest that verse experts changing the new ratings to something reasonable based on the evidence already on the profile shouldn't require a CRT.
Thank you for being reasonable.Alright, I didn't read the above conversation above this point, so I had thought you were aware.
I suggested this, first. I provided the alternative of "At least Above Average/At most Below Average" afterwards, as they are both also technically true when dealing with statements of "High/Low". I think either are fine.
I just mean that once they're updated from "High/Low" to "Unknown" that a user could update them to something appropriate, based on existing information.What do you mean? For example, Intelligence and Stamina ratings that blatantly contradict our standards, can already be modified by our higher staff members, based on the information within the character pages they were placed in.
Well, I do not want members who have not proven their abilities to evaluate well to do so, but maybe we can allow it for our administrators and thread moderators?I just mean that once they're updated from "High/Low" to "Unknown" that a user could update them to something appropriate, based on existing information.
Good point. Thank you for helping out.On another topic, I would caution Dread some care when updating this, since some pages may include ratings like "Very high", and may have multiple stamina ratings within one key, so a lot of care would need to be taken to not change these into something like "Very Unknown".
The same ones that probably only figured out what the **** the verse was by seeing the profile in the first place?Well, I do not want members who have not proven their abilities to evaluate well to do so, but maybe we can allow it for our administrators and thread moderators?
Mind giving an example, so I can imagine it what you meant (or check if I understood it correctly)On another topic, I would caution Dread some care when updating this, since some pages may include ratings like "Very high", and may have multiple stamina ratings within one key, so a lot of care would need to be taken to not change these into something like "Very Unknown".
False thread.Can someone update Faith's intelligence to Above Average? I can't change it because I can't access my fandom account