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Warcraft: The Light and Shadow - Void

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EmperorRorepmeThree

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The light and shadow collision created all of the existence including all the concepts. There are countless universes in existence possibly infinite. Shadow/Void created the Void Lords and The Old Gods who can induce Chaos in entire realms of existence.

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There are beyond the confines of space and time.

The Void is essentially nothingness. A sentient non-existence that wants to destroy the light; to devour all matter and energy.

Their collision created Primordial Worlds without number.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9L_S0OJT...ZUYMU1eB5GBKBI55cEvMewCHMYCw/s1600/RCO020.jpg

The Void Lords, Titans and Demons: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hg9kkWTqH8Q/WdB4_-Yi2cI/AAAAAAAAM3E/OmREurLKSqk3fTSPaJ5wGNo_TykLxeZQwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO023.jp

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The concepts of distance and time have no meaning in the Emerald Dream:

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There is evidence of Low 2-C here in that they generated the universe and were there before time existed (thus creating time and space). That said, I believe there is evidence of infinite timelines from Nozdormu, as he encountered himself from other timelines.
 
It shouldn't, no. Though Void Lords having tons of statements of consuming all matter in the universe might, and if I remember correctly another Titan (Argus?) had stuff about infinite energies or other universal stuff, so Sargeras might have a case.
 
@Emperor

No, it does not. When the Void Lords mean the universe, they mean only one universe, that being the Great Dark Beyond. Which is the only universe that exists for that matter. There is only one true timeline. All others are only mirages of potential choices that were never made, visions into a world that never was. These visions of "alternate timelines" disappear moments after they have been created unless aided by outside forces.
 
Chronicles: Volume 3. This in itself is a retelling of the events that happen in Thrall: Twilight of the aspects. Currently, there are only two realities permanently grounded in existence. The main timeline and the Warlords of Draenor one. There could be others, especially from the ones we've visited through the Caverns of Time but that's uncertain and unlikely, seeing as how we're there to fix things back to normal, and not the other way around. There could be others as well, like the ones that Malchezar had visited and taken weapons from but those are mostly unknown as well.
 
Currently, we know there's 3 existing Timelines.

Broxigar's sacrifice Timeline (We see Khadgar and Krasus fighting in one of the Quests in the Broken Isles as an Easter Egg)

The Original Timeline, naturally.

The Warlords of Dreanor Timeline.

We do also know from Illidan (Chapter 9) and Hellscream (Book) that there exists Infinite Timelines.

Then it was later comfirmed Bashiok comfirm there's a Multiverse: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/13841334060?page=4#77
 
Desmond253 said:
I'm not currently subbed to WoW, but I believe the endd time dungeon also exists in a seperate timeline
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I don't believe it counts as Active, since the goal of the End Time dungeon was to stop it occuring and slap Murazond out of Existence.
 
@Udl

I don't remember Broxigar making an entirely separate universe and confining it to existence the same way WoD reality is. Can I get a source for where it says that please?

The ones depicted in the books should be the ones that fade out of existence, sans those invaded by the Legion perhaps as that might have grounded them in reality permanently. Assuming that they invaded them in the first place, seeing as how Vandel was seeing a vision of the possible future.

@Desmond

The End Times depicts an alternate future where Deathwing has won. As that never came to pass it should have faded from existence.
 
So, in the screenshot you showed, that unless a Timeline is maintained OR altered, it ceases to exist.

Well, we know MANY exist, firstly Chromie's timelines where she's killed by the Master.

Well of Eternity where Nozdormu takes the Dragon Soul.

The War of the Ancients where Khadgar, Krasus and Brox are all sent to the War of the Ancients.

Then we know about the WoD.

Then there's also the Battle of Hyjal which lead to us defeating Archimonde without destroying the tree.

We know about Nelfarian's Lair where the Uncorrupted Eggs are pulled from the Past (Thus altering the Timeline and creating a new Timeline where those 3 Eggs don't exist.)

In the Sundering, Krasus placed Multiple Blue Dragon eggs in a Pocket Realm where time runs more slowly when he was there during the War of the Ancients.

We know the Escape from Durnholde Keep in Old Hillsbrad Foothills, Opening the Dark Portal are all altered Timelines, so their existence in the Caverns of Time makes sense, as it seems like anytime there's a new Timeline created, the Caverns expand (See the Cata additions) but that's headcannon.

Then also in "Counting out Time" Chromie switches us to a different Timeline, which would have altered it.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Counting_Out_Time_(1)
 
All of these are time anomalies or attempts to change a timeline, the point of going there is to restore the timeline to it's normal state thus ensuring the sanctity of the main timeline. You always seem to forget that time actually passes in the game. All of the events of the Caverns of Time have come and gone.

As of right now the travels of Broxigar, Rhonin and Krassus are events that occurred in the past of the main timeline and are currently a part of it. Not a different timeline. Krasus' pocket dimension is not a timeline either.
 
Myriadofmemes said:
As of right now the travels of Broxigar, Rhonin and Krassus are events that occurred in the past of the main timeline and are currently the part of it. Not a different timeline. Krasus' pocket dimension is not a timeline either.
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However, it drastically changes the timeline, considerably.

Firstly, Illidan's story was changed by Rhonin (Not Khadgar, my fault), the Blue Dragons have had some eggs saved by Krasus which would have seriously changed the future, as well as the Night Elves seeing the Orcs 10,000 years post them first appearing.

But we do know that there exists infinite timelines, but they cease to exist shortly after. Changing to another of the infinite possibilies.
 
Yes, it changed the main timeline to the main timeline. Which means a new timeline wasn't created. That's because they didn't travel to a different timeline. They were always in the main timeline. The events of the main timeline have changed, nothing more.

No, we know that there is only one true timeline, the main timeline as stated in the third volume of the chronicles. All other "timelines" are merely looks into what could have been, nothing more. They do not hold the same importance as The main timeline and the WoD timeline and as such cannot contribute towards any rating as they are not quantifiable.
 
However, for the feat of the Light and Darkness, this would be 2-A.

As we know there is an infinite amount of Timelines ceasing to exist and existing for brief moments.
 
No, there are an unknown number of possible futures that exist for an unspecified amount of time before disappearing entirely. Such a "vision" cannot be compared to a full fledged universe.
 
Well, there's also the fact that they had created all Time and Space, so all of said fleeting Timelines (Plus the many many many others that the Burning Legion has messed with that would stay due to being Altered) would be all created by the Two.
 
I don't think that we can put the fleeting universes in the same category as the alleged Burning Legion ones, however since they did create Space and Time on a conceptual level, existed before it and continue to exist beyond it in it's entirety, doesn't that mean that they're higher dimensional? Don't quote me on this next part but I vaguely remember from some thread, probably years ago, that being completely unrestricted by Space and Time nets you a rating one dimension higher then that? Again, don't quote me on this as I'm not sure about this.
 
Yeah, being "Beyond Space and Time" is a 5-D feat (I remember seeing it on the Tiering Page thread)

Unless there's stated to be higher dimensions.
 
Just gonna say, even if the universes aren't the "true timeline" or existing forever, they still do exist and can be counted.
 
Udlmaster said:
Yeah, being "Beyond Space and Time" is a 5-D feat (I remember seeing it on the Tiering Page thread)
Unless there's stated to be higher dimensions.
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No it isn't. Not inherently.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
No it isn't. Not inherently.
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Usually, sometimes it can be 1-A for places that have infinite dimensions.

When there's no stated dimensions, it usually means 5-D, being beyond space, 3-D and beyond Time 4-D would be 5-D.

For verses like WoD they could mean multiple things BECAUSE WORLD OF DARKNESS IS THAT FRANCHISE THAT USES POLYDIMENSIONAL AND HYPERDIMENSIONAL THEORY?!
 
No, it isn't. A 10-B character can be beyond time by time not affecting them. Beyond beyond time is not a High 2-A feat at all. I defy you to get that approved by literally anyone.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Just gonna say, even if the universes aren't the "true timeline" or existing forever, they still do exist and can be counted.
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No they don't, and no they can't as clearly written in Volume 3.
 
In volume three they say their non-true timelines/universes don't count.

I find it interesting that Warcraft saw us coming so well, don't you?
 
I'm interpreting that as "Blizz cockblocked us ratings-wise". Is that what you meant or am I misinterpreting?

Anyways, are you sure that being unrestricted by space and time is not a Higher-dimensional showing? Or am I just confusing it with the baseline 1-A requirement of showing superiority to an infinite-dimensional structure?
 
Basically. I'm going to look into Nozdormu stuff to see the timeline talk, though, since I do distinctly remember a dungeon based around other timelines, and that the Warlords of Draenor expansion was entirely based around other timelines.

And... yes, I'm pretty certain we don't just dish out higher-end Tier 2 ratings for being beyond time and space, considering how bonkers vague that is.
 
Either way, The Light/Void are still responsible for the creation of the Great Dark, Twisting Nether, Alternate Draenor, That alternate shadow reality of Argus that you visit with Alleria and a few others so that's at the absolute least 2-C or even 2-B when including the countless timelines.
 
Countless timelines would be 2-B, 2-A if infinite (though I doubt the latter).
 
Then 2-B is valid. If we get specifically infinite, then that's different.
 
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