Walter White Revisions

[BigSmoke4269]

And it also wouldn't act fast enough to help in a VS context unless he flees and takes cover until the opponent dies, or gets themselves an antidote (ricin is treatable).

i'm pretty sure i mentioned that earlier

The make and model of the RV is a real vehicle (The Fleetwood Bounder) which the manufacturer provides (by real life law) all the weights for its many configurations.

how do i find this

If you're curious, the Breaking Bad wiki lists reliable sources for all the information we need outside what the manufacturer states.
Here: https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/1986_Fleetwood_Bounder
It's in poor shape, Jesse notes he worried it'd break down at every stop light. Implying it's very unlikely they'd choose to retreat to it or use it for anything other than cooking (that was the whole point of Walt and Jesse getting it, besides being a mobile lab where they can dispose of its evidence quickly).

how am i supposed to find its speed though? i've looked up "1986 fleetwood bounder speed" before and i didn't find anything useful

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I mean, it's probably just subsonic. I'd guess around a top speed of 80 mph. Maybe a bit lower considering the vehicles condition.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

that's, like, pure conjecture though

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'm pretty sure low end subsonic is find to add

 

[BigSmoke4269]

while i don't think baseline subsonic would be a highball, i still think there should be a better way to find the rv's speed. i want a more exact value for it, since the rv's speed is directly related to its attack potency

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

while i don't think baseline subsonic would be a highball, i still think there should be a better way to find the rv's speed. i want a more exact value for it, since the rv's speed is directly related to its attack potency

Thought most vehicles much less an RV would be Superhuman--ish?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Thought most vehicles much less an RV would be Superhuman--ish?

i'm not sure if you'd even be allowed to drive a vehicle that can't go over 75 mph

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

I mean, it's probably just subsonic. I'd guess around a top speed of 80 mph. Maybe a bit lower considering the vehicles condition.

It's a recreational vehicle, and the show is based on real life. So, honestly, the most common sense way to approach the RV, if you wanna begin a calc, is to remember the thing's condition. The IRL vehicle's top speed should be an "at most" for the speed of the vehicle, and given how terribly slow something that heavy is on the ground, its acceleration would take so long, it's arguable if it's worth calc'ing given how few situations in a VS threads it'd be useful in.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

i'm not sure if you'd even be allowed to drive a vehicle that can't go over 75 mph

Yes you are, they're called scooters. Most 50cc scooters are road legal, in many countries require no licenses, and are fast, but usually slower than that. Even 125cc scooters can't hit that speed with tune ups but they are road and often highway legal.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

so i can drive a car that, at the fastest, goes 40 miles an hour under the speed limit, and i won't get charged. neat

iirc going too far under the speed limit is against the law, so i cant see how they'd be allowed to drive something that slow

 

[Agnaa]

so i can drive a car that, at the fastest, goes 40 miles an hour under the speed limit, and i won't get charged. neat

iirc going too far under the speed limit is against the law, so i cant see how they'd be allowed to drive something that slow

By not driving it in areas with a far higher speed limit.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

ok

 

[BigSmoke4269]

The IRL vehicle's top speed should be an "at most" for the speed of the vehicle

ok but how do i even find the real top speed

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

ok but how do i even find the real top speed

literally you're just asking people to google shit for you, this is the worst way to get yourself to a well-received user for CRTs if you proof unreliable when you're asking us to find and calc and add info for you, when you're the one that suggested it get inserted. Now asking for calcs is fine, but you can literally look this up anywhere. The RV uses a Chevy old school V8, in a several-ton vehicle that very clearly (and multiple statements mention that) is falling apart. Any speed lower than superhuman speed is downplay, any higher than subsonic is pure wank. Simple as.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

literally you're just asking people to google shit for you, this is the worst way to get yourself to a well-received user for CRTs if you proof unreliable when you're asking us to find and calc and add info for you, when you're the one that suggested it get inserted.

as i said earlier, i already tried a google search myself, and i couldn't find anything useful. i don't think they have records of the top speed for every single vehicle that exists. even if they do, i'm not exactly an experienced car mechanic, so i have no idea what any of it means. i'm trying to figure out if there's a better way to find it.

The RV uses a Chevy old school V8

i don't speak car, what does this mean

Any speed lower than superhuman speed is downplay, any higher than subsonic is pure wank. Simple as.

yeah i know that, but i'm trying to find the vehicle's exact speed, rather than just saying "it's a vehicle so it's somewhere between superhuman and subsonic"

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I tried looking for it and I couldn't find anything. The make isn't exactly popular, and it's a pretty old model too.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

as i said earlier, i already tried a google search myself, and i couldn't find anything useful. i don't think they have records of the top speed for every single vehicle that exists. even if they do, i'm not exactly an experienced car mechanic, so i have no idea what any of it means. i'm trying to figure out if there's a better way to find it.

i don't speak car, what does this mean

yeah i know that, but i'm trying to find the vehicle's exact speed, rather than just saying "it's a vehicle so it's somewhere between superhuman and subsonic"

I tried looking for it and I couldn't find anything. The make isn't exactly popular, and it's a pretty old model too.

Hey guys, not to be a jerk, but you're literally wasting time. Just doing this is far more realistic. Common sense from anyone who leaves VSBW and gets in a car knows an RV cannot feasibly move faster than what Hop stated. Evidence, feats? Yeah, watch the show. This is Breaking Bad, not Speed Racer, you should have naturally come to the conclusion that a standard vehicle based on something in reality literally cannot supersede those stats without being wank or downplay, using evidence from the show.

So perhaps, if you're deadset on calc'ing a slow, recreational vehicle (probably a first on the wiki unless you count Ben 10's RV/Rust Bucket), find a few clips from the show, and feel free to spend time calc'ing what ultimately will equate to b-roll footage from a decade old masterpiece, for literally optional equipment.

As staff and a user that's been here for a while, Hop expects better arguments or conduct from you other than "can we derail the thread more and calc a vehicle that's barely up for debate as optional equipment?"
Seriously.

 

[AKM sama]

I agree with Hop.

What has been accepted so far and what changes do we need to make, if any?

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

What's likely to pass:

• Correcting stamina/weakness related to Walter's lung cancer (no such event in the show occurs, or is mentioned to be possible)
• With prep time, add to his abilities/optional equipment: poison (ricin. lily of the valley, dangerous gases, etc), creating bombs if not already stated, but we must break it up by season, so abuse of equipment doesn't contradict the show (as in S1 Walter can't possibly make all the exact same things by the time of S5 Walter, due to lack of resources and a slightly more meek personality that is hesitant to violence and death, such as his gun, the Ruger, and his car, the Chrysler, not existing at the same time in the show)

To support Hop's point, another use in this thread mentioned:

He had all the equipment in his house to make the bomb to blow up Gus. Though I suppose he told Jessie to get him all the items he needed since Walter seemed too scared to leave his house at that time. Really it depends if a fight gives Walter the ability to go to any store to get the stuff he needs.

Stuff up for debate:
* Having the RV as optional equipment for Walter, perhaps Jesse as well (he was revealed in El Camino to have keys to it and states he drove it, too). If passed, it is useful for making fake (explosive) meth, gas, perhaps other chemistry based VS match applicable items. The vehicle has its own stats separate from what it enables Walter to do, such as speed and the ability to live inside of it for extended periods (if prepped). Reasons for not having it include how rarely it can be useful in the context of indexing and VS threads down the road, including the fact the vehicle is small element to the first half of the show, being a plot device to enable a safe space for making drugs, that's about it, as all other abilities he has with it can be accomplished with Walt's own car (which are already part of his page), during all periods of the show excluding the finale (roughly the 3 last episodes of Season 5).

Unfinished
* No calcs done for anything mentioned in OP post.

 

[AKM sama]

First two points look agreeable. I am not too sure on the RV thing being an optional equipment.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Common sense from anyone who leaves VSBW and gets in a car knows an RV cannot feasibly move faster than what Hop stated. Evidence, feats? Yeah, watch the show. This is Breaking Bad, not Speed Racer, you should have naturally come to the conclusion that a standard vehicle based on something in reality literally cannot supersede those stats without being wank or downplay, using evidence from the show.

i'm not trying to find out if the rv is secretly massively hypersonic. i'm trying to find an exact speed for it so that i can calculate its kinetic energy and give it an ap rating.


but yeah this would be way too much effort for something this minor and pointless

 

[Agnaa]

As I said before, RV being optional equipment seems fine. He owns it and uses it throughout the show. The usefulness people are suggesting could be wanked, but I still think it's useful for indexing (it is something he has after all). I've seen other optional equipment that's less useful in fights and been less important to the show. Being able to take cover behind it, hide in it, or trying to hit someone with it are far more useful for threads than indicating that a tier 7 character has an ordinary sword.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Pretty sure it'd be useful for something that involves prep. Anyway, agreed with Agnaa

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Common sense from anyone who leaves VSBW and gets in a car

sorry hop, but that would require one of us to go outside, which is a huge no-no here in the vs community

As I said before, RV being optional equipment seems fine. He owns it and uses it throughout the show. The usefulness people are suggested it could be wanked, but I still think it's useful for indexing (it is something he has after all). I've seen other optional equipment that's less useful in fights and been less important to the show. Being able to take cover behind it, hide in it, or trying to hit someone with it are far more useful for threads than indicating that a tier 7 character has an ordinary sword.

yeah, but the problem is that i can't find its exact speed. so either we figure out a way to find that speed, or we say it can go at somewhere between 12 and 171 meters per second. one of these options is way too vague, and the other seems like an unnecessary amount of effort considering what we'll actually get out of it. plus, our discussion regarding whether or not the rv should be added has pretty much derailed the thread. so i say we drop it (at least for now) and instead shift our focus to something more important and achievable, such as the explosion calcs.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

i'm not trying to find out if the rv is secretly massively hypersonic. i'm trying to find an exact speed for it so that i can calculate its kinetic energy and give it an ap rating.

sorry hop, but that would require one of us to go outside, which is a huge no-no here in the vs community

yeah, but the problem is that i can't find its exact speed. so either we figure out a way to find that speed, or we say it can go at somewhere between 12 and 171 meters per second. one of these options is way too vague...

It's not hard, whatsoever. The point being, it'd be a waste of time. For instance, say you pull a weight from a forum, where someone has a very similar model as the show has. The owner mentions they brought it to a weigh station (you find these on the highway). The Bounder is 14,XXX lbs, but no exact weight is given (likely the owner isn't accounting for things they added such as gas, what's in the fridge, clothes, etc) so to be fair say it's at least 14,000, maybe 14.5K. Using the wiki's own numbers for Superhuman range, you can get a fair estimate of what the AP looked like. Our low end of Superhuman and low-end for Subsonic are not far apart. 27.8MPH is the minimum possible speed you can make the calc with. Assuming at best, the RV hits a speed of 80MPH (a standard highway speed limit in the state Breaking Bad takes place, which is barely above Subsonic's minimum speed of 76.7269), you can start making a calc there with guides on the wiki. Hop is now done discussing the RV relating to this CRT. Refer to the show and previous comments for any questions. Or ask others.

Hop did this in roughly 3 minutes with google and the wiki in the same browser. You did not need to derail and elongate this topic this much.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

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Thats great and all, no disrespect but why do you refer yourself in third person sometimes?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

apparently being hop is an out-of-body experience

 

[BigSmoke4269]

27.8MPH is the minimum possible speed you can make the calc with. Assuming at best, the RV hits a speed of 80MPH (a standard highway speed limit in the state Breaking Bad takes place, which is barely above Subsonic's minimum speed of 76.7269), you can start making a calc there with guides on the wiki.

alright, 80 mph sounds reasonable. i'll use that ig

For instance, say you pull a weight from a forum, where someone has a very similar model as the show has. The owner mentions they brought it to a weigh station (you find these on the highway). The Bounder is 14,XXX lbs, but no exact weight is given (likely the owner isn't accounting for things they added such as gas, what's in the fridge, clothes, etc) so to be fair say it's at least 14,000, maybe 14.5K.

is this actually what you found, or is it just an example?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

bump

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

alright, 80 mph sounds reasonable. i'll use that ig

is this actually what you found, or is it just an example?

This is a real life example of an identical RV to the one in the show.
Link: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/weight-on-a-1987-fleetwood-bounder-219805.html
Quoting an owner: "Howdy, brudder! We got the same beastie. On mine, there is a plate attached to the wall just left of my left knee in the driver seat. It's 14,nnn pounds more or less, if I remember. Yours seems to have slightly different side stripes from mine, other than that they look pretty similar...except for my lack of rear hub caps..

"

 

[BigSmoke4269]

ok thanks

 

[BigSmoke4269]

so i plugged that into a kinetic energy calculator and got small building level lol

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

so i plugged that into a kinetic energy calculator and got small building level lol

Damn, RV's are ******* strong enough nearly vaporize a person! XD

 

[BigSmoke4269]

well how else would you react if you got hit in the face with 7 tons of steel going at 80 miles per hour

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

That's assuming its able to hit max speed and it would be able to do that speed at all. Like Hop said, it's as close as we can find, but for all we know it isn't close (they have stripped the interior of the RV to make a rudimentary lab, so it probably weighs way less. Safe bet would be to drop the weight of the RV, all that furniture makes up the bulk of the weight of RVs. If you had only the engine and shell, it'd weigh what a typical heavy duty truck would. The heat/AC system, couch, TV, bathroom, kitchen, cabinets, beds & room, all make up the interior of the vehicle excluding the front seats and controls, which is basically what's left in there. It's obvious there's no bathroom or other amenities. The link Hop provided as an (at most) realistic weight of the RV from the show. Redo the calc, it's misleading.


The new weight and top speed is hard to say. Sadly, the show never has a scene where the RV does something that cool. We got a behind the scenes skit but you can clearly see the RV is mostly empty space (even has room for the camera man!). It's makeshift shelves screwed into the walls, and containers on a floor. And that's about it. Image here: https://gyazo.com/5ddd3c52ae990e078ce840c22102634a

The videos you can see the inside of the RV in good capacity are here:




Again, this is somewhat derailing and a fraction of the CRT.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

actually i just realized that i forgot to set it to pounds and miles per hour. so instead it ended up being 14000 kg and 80 m/s

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

actually i just realized that i forgot to set it to pounds and miles per hour. so instead it ended up being 14000 kg and 80 m/s

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Safe bet would be to drop the weight of the RV, all that furniture makes up the bulk of the weight of RVs. If you had only the engine and shell, it'd weigh what a typical heavy duty truck would. The heat/AC system, couch, TV, bathroom, kitchen, cabinets, beds & room, all make up the interior of the vehicle excluding the front seats and controls, which is basically what's left in there.

couldn't we just find the weight of all that furniture and subtract it from the weight of the rv

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

couldn't we just find the weight of all that furniture and subtract it from the weight of the rv

Good luck with that. An original owner of that vehicle would either need to replicate the RV from the show and measure it for us, or take out all their stuff and give us that number we need to subtract. Both are unreasonable. To be fair, anywhere from 8K-10K pounds (lbs) is reasonable in Hop's opinion, but it may just end up being in the same tier as his car.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

how about we use pixel measurements to measure each side of the rv, and then use the weight of steel and glass to figure out how heavy it is