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Well, the actual depot is in the main verse but the worlds inside are something that you need to go through some kind of portal to get to, shown by Dream Team.
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Right, so we're right back at square one, where the black hole has no indication of having enough range to affect them.Well, the actual depot is in the main verse but the worlds inside are something that you need to go through some kind of portal to get to, shown by Dream Team.
Discussed already and it was decided that no one scales to thatWhat I meant was the universe reset at the end of Galaxy in general, it affected all the space in the main Mario universe which includes Dream Depot.
It does, but we have to wait on DDM’s repliesDoesn't this have enough aprovals?
Don't we have a rule for this type of stuff? Pretty sure that if a long time passes and the requested staff does not answer we can just apply thisIt does, but we have to wait on DDM’s replies
It's more of a suggestion rather than a mandatory rule; some rules are more strict or stronger than others but that one is one of the lesser rules.Don't we have a rule for this type of stuff? Pretty sure that if a long time passes and the requested staff does not answer we can just apply this
huh, thanks for explainingIt's more of a suggestion rather than a mandatory rule; some rules are more strict or stronger than others but that one is one of the lesser rules.
It is agreed that verse specific threads mention that if an opposition has made 0 activity period, like not even a generic "Still working on it." Then it's recommended to continue discussion without them, but doesn't always mean reply revisions right away Which technically means the 2 week deadline more or less resets each time the opposition also says "Still working on it". Though of course I will try not to let this topic run for too long. I believe later today or tomorrow is when I will make my post for this.
I’d consider the book as a gateway personally. It acts more like one with how it’s essentially a portal between the worlds. The second it opens it glows brightly and launches a bunch of shit out of it, and things can jump right back into it.Just to confirm before I post some counterarguments; we do now consider the book to be actually physically holding the Paper Mario universe (universe as in series)..? And its not just a gateway?
Nah.Doesn’t quite fit R>F qualifications if that’s what you’re aiming for.
You are looking at that criteria on a vacuum. Realities shaped the same way from the outside being all the same size makes sense if 1 is universe-sized. This are dreams, what they are is what the dreamer dreams of, the highest extend of one has no reason nor is it likely to be the size of them all because it was exclusively made that big. Dreaming something that big could have easily made the dream bigger, not display a natural size it always already has. It would likewise make no sense for the other dreams to have further space beyond what was dreamed.Also, Future Dream legit exists next to those other dreams and is portrayed as being parallel bubbles, which does mean criteria for the rest of the dreams being universes.
I have issues with this. Let's assume for a second that each dream is a universe, ok, that doesn't mean many dreams are multiverse, the space between them isn't that of a multiverse and so merging them isn't 2-C. That's like having 2 solar systems right next to each other, fuse them, and call that 4-A because "Well 4-A is about affecting a plural amount of solar systems", without earning the merits for it.Also, the plot of Dream Team does mention Luigi's Dream merging with Bowser's Dream so it would still be 2-C for the Dream Team scaling.
Pretty sure we deliberately went out of the way to avoid using the official Prima Guide or Nintendo Power, as the former isn't allowed at all while the latter is very dubiously canon.The Void stuff is even missing out evidence of how false it is, I brought in the linked thread:
- "To reach the end of the book is to deliver crushing finality on the universe." (Bleck was) "Determined to wreak revenge on the universe and its many dimensions" "Merlon charges Mario to find eight Pure Hearts that allow travel between the dimensions threatened by Bleck's plans. If Mario can amass the Pure Hearts and rescue his friends, maybe the universe stands a chance of surviving Count Bleck."
- Super Paper Mario The Official Guide From Nintendo Power: Page 5; "Once again, the fate of the known universe rests on the rounded shoulders of a mute plumber.", and page 126; "Even as a massive pixelated vortex begins to swallow the universe, who would believe that Mario will fail? I mean, come on."
Let's maybe not dwell on this for too long given Kirb and I had some translations done in regard to Future Dream that would make its size scaling to anything completely impossible.You are looking at that criteria on a vacuum. Realities shaped the same way from the outside being all the same size makes sense if 1 is universe-sized. This are dreams, what they are is what the dreamer dreams of, the highest extend of one has no reason nor is it likely to be the size of them all because it was exclusively made that big. Dreaming something that big could have easily made the dream bigger, not display a natural size it always already has. It would likewise make no sense for the other dreams to have further space beyond what was dreamed.
Also when are they potrayed as bubbles, can you show that? They may be pocket spaces.
This is just straight up wrong lol, we have always considered merging two different space-times as 2-C. The only things that are really in contention here is if every dream is a universe, and what can reasonably scaled to multiple dreams.I have issues with this. Let's assume for a second that each dream is a universe, ok, that doesn't mean many dreams are multiverse, the space between them isn't that of a multiverse and so merging them isn't 2-C. That's like having 2 solar systems right next to each other, fuse them, and call that 4-A because "Well 4-A is about affecting a plural amount of solar systems", without earning the merits for it.
Similar things as before can be said about it, I hope I don't need to say the obvious logical problem with it.
What is the context of this? Can we keep it all in a blog for ref.?Pretty sure we deliberately went out of the way to avoid using the official Prima Guide or Nintendo Power, as the former isn't allowed at all while the latter is very dubiously canon.
I have been in threads about it and we do require that space between universes to be like that of a real multiverse, regardless of how "we have always considered" things. There is a lot of lack of understanding of why we do certain things on the way they may be done, leading to many "types of feats" to be agreed on (when they may be wrong) just because they are similar to other feats that are in fact legit.This is just straight up wrong lol, we have always considered merging two different space-times as 2-C. The only things that are really in contention here is if every dream is a universe, and what can reasonably scaled to multiple dreams.
I'd have to track down the original context in my spare time, but IIRC that main issue was that the Mario Galaxy guide made up a lot of context that wrongly led to a universal feat. Since then, it's been sort of an unspoken rule to not use Prima Guides.What is the context of this? Can we keep it all in a blog for ref.?
"2-C: Low Multiverse levelI have been in threads about it and we do require that space between universes to be like that of a real multiverse, regardless of how "we have always considered" things. There is a lot of lack of understanding of why we do certain things on the way they may be done, leading to many "types of feats" to be agreed on (when they may be wrong) just because they are similar to other feats that are in fact legit.
I would like to evaluate that as I can't work with an unspoken rule, it could be that it just mistranslated things that could be alternatively translated in ways that don't contradict nearly as much (Like "universe" rather than "space", which share the same kanjis). Even then, because that guide got things wrong so should this guides? That doesn't sounds as objective as you make it sound.I'd have to track down the original context in my spare time, but IIRC that main issue was that the Mario Galaxy guide made up a lot of context that wrongly led to a universal feat. Since then, it's been sort of an unspoken rule to not use Prima Guides.
The note on the "significantly affect" part is something I proposed, gets misused a lot, and had to fix since years, for ref. But if you feel better not going over it then so be it."2-C: Low Multiverse level
Characters or objects that can significantly affect,[2] create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents."
I think you're overcomplicating this a little. As long as two things are established as being legitimately different space-times, there isn't an issue. Also like, we literally see that dreams have some sort of space between them. That isn't, and shouldn't, be the main issue here.
No, it’s nothing with translations being wrong, they literally just had wrong info.I would like to evaluate that as I can't work with an unspoken rule, it could be that it just mistranslated things that could be alternatively translated in ways that don't contradict nearly as much (Like "universe" rather than "space", which share the same kanjis). Even then, because that guide got things wrong so should this guides? That doesn't sounds as objective as you make it sound.
You mean the explosion from the black hole? Plenty of reasons.This is off topic but, I forget why Rosalina’s shields aren’t scaled to the black hole.
Yeah, but it wouldn’t really be calculable or even give anything notable stat wise that isn’t there. Really the feat is unusable, at the absolute best you could maybe argue it for Multi Galaxy+ evidence.Fair enough, but then either the characters tanked it or Rosalina just transported them to an alternate dimension, latter of which isn’t inherently stated either.
bro why would you bump thisIs this the third time that a Mario thread hasn't concluded? Anyway bump
Didn't we wait for more thab 2 weeks by now? I think that we can just apply this at this pointI mean we’re just kinda waiting on DDM by this point. I think there’s enough agreement from everyone else to apply the changes. Me and Fuji have things to add but there’s no reason to mention it until DDM’s reply