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Void manipulation / existence erasure and resistance in Paper Mario

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Count Bleck mentions that The Void will do as if "the universes have never existed" , which is the existence erasure / void manipulation.

This should be added to his page and the Chaos Heart page.

Paper Mario and the other heroes having already been hit by The Void with the only result of being knocked out, they should have a resistance to that.
 
They did not have a pure heart.

But The Void was not in phase 2-B yet when they tanked it. He could only affect the Samurai World.

The Void was at that time closer to the Low 2-C, knowing that this is their second feat Low 2-C without the Pure Heart (Dimentio is classified Unknow, but its justification is to be superior to Base Count Bleck, which is Low 2-C. Heroes have already defeated Base Dimentio).
 
It should likely be considered an Outlier in general considering they resisted Void Manipulation on a Tier 2 scale.
 
I don't think the resistance should necessarily be an outlier, just the AP that they did it at. Wart has Dream Manipulation for being able to manipulate and destroy entire Dream worlds, which should make him casually Low 2-C. Even Mouser, who is a fodder boss in SMB2 can destroy dream worlds. Wart is 4-A because it is an outlier, but he is still has Dream Manipulation.
 
I agree.

Also, there are almost more feats close to Low 2-C than Tier 4 in the entire franchise.
 
Defeat Dimentio many times before

Resist Void when it was at a Low 2-C stage

The weird attack of the link sent by Arceus

etc...
 
He showed that he was comparable to original Mario in a single game where there was no tier 4 feat.

This gives him more tier 2 feat than tier 4.


And in the case of the original Mario, how much tier 4 exploit does it have?
 
Random1201 said:
Paper Mario only showing Tier 2 feats in 1 out of 5 of the games he's appeared in would make said feats outliers.
Also, you need to prove the entire universe is being affected here or it is not a valid feat. Random headcanon is not proof.
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1 out of 5 games?

Actually, in EVERY game Mario has Tier 2 feats.

Paper Mario 64: Mario survives an attack from the Star Rod, which is Multiversal. So, he should be stronger than characters who can harm him.

Paper Mario, TTYD: Before Shadow Queen reveals her true power, he can still harm her. Even at her weakest, the Shadow Queen created the Crystal Stars, which hold the essence of heaven.

This refers to all that is. Similar to the Bible, "heavens" refers to the realms above the Earth: the atmosphere, the Sun, the moon, the stars, and all that's in outer space. Holding the essence of the universe and being able to warp it is definitely at this level.

Super Paper Mario: PM has DOZENS of Tier 2 feats in base in this game. (Just look at the comments above)

Paper Mario Color Splash: That possible Universal+ feat.
 
Even without taking the Bible as proof.

The Heaven is The Overthere, which like every world of Super Paper Mario, is a universe.
 
Colour Splash has a Universal feat, as well. The Black Paint is shown at the end of the game to make all of space, which was used to power Bowser. That's tier 3 though. And yeah, if the Star Spirits made the Dream Depot and the Star Rod can easily defeat all of them, that's tier 2.

Sticker Star is the only game without stuff that doesn't have anything tier 2, and is sided with Colour Splash with not having anything solidly tier 2. Let's also keep in mind that our Paper Mario profile treats Paper Mario as being a more powerful version of the regular Mario, who also has a lot of tier 2 stuff.
 
If Mario isn't to be tier 2, well, I don't know, I know wr probably won't get him to tier 2, here, but he should at least get abilities and resistances when he shows them.
 
TheHadouCyberspaceWitch said:
Colour Splash has a Universal feat, as well. The Black Paint is shown at the end of the game to make all of space, which was used to power Bowser. That's tier 3 though. And yeah, if the Star Spirits made the Dream Depot and the Star Rod can easily defeat all of them, that's tier 2.
Sticker Star is the only game without stuff that doesn't have anything tier 2, and is sided with Colour Splash with not having anything solidly tier 2. Let's also keep in mind that our Paper Mario profile treats Paper Mario as being a more powerful version of the regular Mario, who also has a lot of tier 2 stuff.
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Wait, really? Where's that feat (Color Splash)?
 
ArceusBowser44 said:
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I fail to see anything that puts the Star Rod at 2-B in the link you gave me. Please elaborate further regarding that point.

How can you be sure what "heavens" this is referring to? What if this is simply flowery language?

The Color Splash "feat" isn't Universal at all as you still have yet to prove the entire universe was being affected.
 
The Star Rod defeated the Star Spirits, who made the Dream Depot, which is a realm that dwarfs the Mario Multiverse, so creating the Dream Depot is solid 2-B.

Heavens would be referring to the Overthere, which is another higher world.

And I guess we're to assume that every showing of the sky in space in every other Mario games, even the Galaxy ones where they travel the whole universe with the sky being a single shade of black is now wrong?
 
TheHadouCyberspaceWitch said:
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Can you show me where it's stated that the Star Spirits created the Dream Depot?

Overthere wasn't even a thing until SPM which comes out several years after TTYD.

What does this have to do with my response? Prove that Paper Mario is affecting the entire universe during that attack or it won't be accepted as an actual feat.
 
It's heavily implied I'm Mario Party 5. They've been watching over all the dreams since the beginning of time and created many of the dream worlds you are in in the game.

Super Paper Mario was being made while TTYD was. We know this because of a Toad in Petalburg mentioning it. This also doesn't invalidate that it's the only thing they could be referring to when they say "heavens".

That wasn't the feat I was referring to. This was.
 
The Star Spirits merely create "fun-filled games" within the already existing dreams, not the dream worlds themselves.

That doesn't matter. During the events of TTYD "Overthere" didn't even conceptually exist. It's pretty much raw speculation to assume "the heavens" refers to "Overthere".

It doesn't look like celestial matter is being created here at all. Those are just random sparkles (aesthetic) produced by the Black Paint zooming away.
 
So because a game released nine years prior to Color Splash holds a specific visual representation then we can assume that said visual representation maintains consistency with Color Splash, a completely seperate title?

Am I missing something?
 
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