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Versus Thread Removal Requests 15

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You know, I'd be inclined to say it's a stomp since Mr. Bean's luck isn't good enough to win.

But then Composite Human vs Mr. Bean should be removed since his luck wouldn't be good enough to win.

So, choose your poison? I ain't a Mr. Bean supporter.
 
About Mr. Bean vs Sans, Sans being 5-6 times stronger doesn't make the match a One-Shot stomp. Oneshot starts x7.5.

I will removed the Mario vs Frank West's match.
 
Elizhaa said:
About Mr. Bean vs Sans, Sans being 5-6 times stronger doesn't make the match a One-Shot stomp. Oneshot starts x7.5.

I will removed the Mario vs Frank West's match.
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It wasn't just that alone. Bean has no realistic way to win. He can neither get close, is not even remotely strong enough to do much of any damage when up close. 5-6 Times weaker by the calc. And note. The feat itself was the oven explosion which didn't hurt Frisk to the slightest. Aka. It should be a good degree higher. And it already puts Bean bear One shot level

A stomp shouldn't just rely on one shot too. It's that one person has no way to realistically win. That's the case here. Bean is almost at the point of getting one shot, he is utterly out hacked, and can't even really do much of any damage to sans. Aka. Bean just can't win. It on the threat itself was being called a stomp. Someone just added it despite it being agreed on one. Bean doesn't have a way to win at all. The calcs make Beans peak 5-6 times weaker than an attack that didn't even scratch the Undertale cast. And the hacks massively destroy. Hacks and AP stomp
 
Moritzva said:
You know, I'd be inclined to say it's a stomp since Mr. Bean's luck isn't good enough to win.

But then Composite Human vs Mr. Bean should be removed since his luck wouldn't be good enough to win.

So, choose your poison? I ain't a Mr. Bean supporter.
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Bean vs sans is a stomp since Bean has no way to get close, can't even really damage sans much if at all. And Sans has a massive amount of hacks that destroy. Bean is hacked destroyed and physically destroyed. He can not win. At all.

CH, Bean is fully able to hurt and kill. As can the CH kill Bean. Bean is vastly stronger than too. Not to mention had specified circumstances. And in no way is comparable to sans vs Bean which is a hacks and physical stomp
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Sans oneshotting things with soul hax was debunked a long, long time ago
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Sans is fighting someone he is 5-6 times stronger than. The feat he scaled too didnt even scratch the characters. Meaning they are a decent degree even higher than the numbers. It's like sans would one shot a wall level.
 
CH vs Bean isn't a stomp..

Because CH wins and Bean's skill was wanked.

So if Bean's skill can't avoid being stomped by Sans, there's no way in hell it'll passively earn him a win.
 
Moritzva said:
CH vs Bean isn't a stomp..

Because CH wins and Bean's skill was wanked.

So if Bean's skill can't avoid being stomped by Sans, there's no way in hell it'll passively earn him a win.
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No. Not at all.

Sans has an attack which can directly grab and fling around Beans soul, with enough power to essentially one shot him, a way to bypass his durability regardless, and does it with a raise of his hand. And bean has no way to stop sans from this attack. As no resistance and no counters

CH doesn't hold such one shot worth hacks and a lot of their guns aren't capable of one shooting, they don't bypass durability, and they are placed in a situation where they both don't immediately open fire on the other.

This situation is Massively different

One haxs rapes, basically one shots, and does it with a raise of his hand. Aka. The fight ends in the first attack, and bean has 0 way to win or even react

The other doesn't one shot, doesn't have bypass durability hacks, and is placed in a situation where both have plenty of time to react and try and fight the situation. Not even remotely comparable
 
But he does openly attack Bean when the battle starts.

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This is, in the end, why luck battles are dumb. There's so little to do in debating luck, as luck is often just unpredictable reality warping, and how can one debate that?

The point here? A double standard. Bean's luck can easily get him out of an utter landslide of a skillstomp in one case, avoid danmaku of gunfire, yet he is stomped by danmaku. Not decisive loss, stomp. That doesn't really work.
 
Sans most definitely does. There is 0 reason he wouldn't and 0 reason why his luck would do anything about that. His luck hasn't worked in the degree of manipulating something like that.

And It was agreed his luck can do jack to Danmaku in this case. Beans luck could cause a gun to jam sure. Which could counter a guns replica of that. But not bones propelling from underground and one shotting his soul. Or a wave of bones coming at him. Sans attacks vs a gun are very different. Causing a gun to jam would just domino effect countering Dan in that instance.

Sans can't be debated. Sans is one shotting and does it with a raise of his hand. And bean can not hurt sans. Aka. Stomp. Luck isn't changing that. So it should be removed. Bean has 0 won conditions against sans

Luck can effect CH as CH doesn't have ridiculous hacks like GM and SM. His attacks come from guns which luck had a much easier time effecting.
 
Luck is one ******* strong force. I'd bet that if you put, say, Nagito vs Sans, Nagito would pull out. It's all about how potent that luck is.

Luck can always, say, get the opponent hit by a truck. Or accidentally dodging every attack. Or having the opponent trip repeatedly. Luck makes it very hard to dictate something is a stomp, simply by being luck.
 
Nagito has luck Far More potent than Beans. His luck literally caused a meteor to come out of the sky. bean hasn't got that kind of potent luck. Luck may be hard to use. But it's scale is definitely somewhat usable. Someone like Nagito could fight someone who could potentially one shot him due to the fact his luck can cause things are crazy as a meteor crashing. Beans lucky. But nothing insane.

Much like Nathan. Nathan's lucky. But his luck isn't nearly potent enough to handle Sans
 
And how does that make it a stomp?

Simply not being good enough to win doesn't mean you can't. Luck powers really strain the 'can't' part a lot.
 
Bean vs Sans is a stomp cause Bean has 0 win conditions. His luck isn't potent enough to do anything to stop sans from raising a single hand. If Bean was a lot stronger and tougher. Than it's more arguably. But he is getting one shot him self. And isn't strong enough to even hurt him.
 
Because Ness' passive fate manipulation is going to prevent him from getting absorbed, especially since his is on a 2-C scale. If it ends up happening, TOTU makes it like a bad dream and prevents it. If he's going to stop the fate manipulation, he will need to absorb more than just a low 2-C place which he hasn't done.
 
Alternatively instead of prematurely deleting the match you can see if the calc is acceptable first
 
Growing to 2-A and passivelly incapping the Emperor, which doesn't work because of him having resistance to all GoC stuff and being able to work in a disembodied form
 
People are sometimes dumb, ok ?

Not every match that's added was double checked if it was a stomp, especially really old ones like this one
 
Freddy vs. Atom should also be removed (Or at the very least redone) as speed was unequalized due to Freddy being peak human at the time, but now he likely blitzes as he is superhuman. He also gained a few new abilities (Berserk mode, and illusion creation) that would have helped him in the match
 
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