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Kriemhild Gretchen vs The Emperor of Mankind

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<UKG has an inconclusive against Reinhard

<Emperor

99% sure Horus Lupercal or Kharn would handle UKG let alone the emperor

High 1B Erasure bitchslap GG
 
Madoka erasure is actually Nonexistence Erasure down to Conceptual level. Rein ain't surviving that. And Gretchen has that erasure.
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
Madoka erasure is actually Nonexistence Erasure down to Conceptual level. Rein ain't surviving that. And Gretchen has that erasure.
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Wow, now that's awesome

Anyway, Emprah

ERASES
 
It's more like UKG regen > Madoka's erasure > People already erased conceptually (UKG manifesting despite Madoka already erasing witches)

Also while i'm almost sure that the Emperor wins, UKG has offensive options too you know
 
GEoM takes this.

High 1-B erasure 2 stronk.

But could UKG's law stuff and Causality stuff help against GEoM?

What about the massive hax upgrade UKG just got?
 
Holyhotsauce said:
GEoM takes this.

High 1-B erasure 2 stronk.

But could UKG's law stuff and Causality stuff help against GEoM?

What about the massive hax upgrade UKG just got?
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Well unless those hax could affect someone who can fight all four chaos gods back in his prime and one of those Gods having almost the exact same setup as UKG (I am referring to Tzeentch here). Then yeah I am pretty sure that the Emperor wins here with little to no effort.
 
.... Except that the one who fights the Chaos Gods in their domain isn't the Emperor's 4-B self.

It's his High 1-B self
 
Kaltias said:
.... Except that the one who fights the Chaos Gods in their domain isn't the Emperor's 4-B self.

It's his High 1-B self
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Oh I though that his High 1-B essence backed his 4-B self up like with what the other chaos gods do to there champion. Either way the Emperor Erases and calls it a day.
 
I mean, it does, but he is obviously nowhere near as strong in the Materium as he in the Warp.

His High 1-B self is more like the power source of his 4-B self, in a way. Or the 4-B one is kinda like a projection/manifestation
 
Still, GEoM has that nasty erasure that nailed Horus so utterly that not even the Chaos Gods could bring him back, and that was when GEoM was dying.
 
@Azzy

Wouldn't that grant type 9 to the Emperor in the Materium?

@Holy

UKG definitely can't survive High 1-B erasure no. The best i can see is UKG forcing an inconclusive if she manages to kill/incapacitate the Emperor via law manipulation, sealing, or maybe her own void manipulation
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
@Kal

Yeah, Dark Imperium suggests the materium Emperor is just a projection of his true self.
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Wait so does that mean that The GEOM in his 4-B form has High 1-B Power nullification or what, cause isn't that what basically managed to screw the Chaos gods blessing on Horus up
 
I don't think it was really power null. He was just about to kill Horus and the gods ****** off.

We'll see how it's written at then end of the Heresy.
 
Hey kal, does UKG have any useful passive ability for this one? Too bad she doesn't get doppel abilities
 
RKGenki said:
Hey kal, does UKG have any useful passive ability for this one? Too bad she doesn't get doppel abilities
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Kals curse of being forced to constantly upgrade PMMM will find a way to get UKG the Doppel stuff.
 
Btw the votes right now are all Emprah erases gg, but it's not like UKG will stand there and do nothing, I'm leaning more toward inconclusive but I'll wait for Kal
 
Is there anything that UKG can do that doesn't involves emperor seeing it coming and erasing it that actually can affect him?

Like, this is honestly a borderline stomp IMO.
 
I'm not sure

I mean, some of her possibly useful abilities are tought based but rn I don't remember which ones
 
And yet again

Why can't the Emperor see this and how many actually do shit to him?
 
I mean, she has her passive fate manip. And eye based Power Null. And absorption. And Magic Negation. Though that unknown range is probably an important factor.
 
SomebodyData said:
I mean, she has her passive fate manip. And eye based Power Null. And absorption. And Magic Negation. Though that unknown range is probably an important factor.
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Well if that fate manipulation can affect someone who's acausal somehow then yeah it could work.

Power null is up in the air on whether it works or not, I am not a Warhammer expert so I wouldn't know.

Absorption is also up in the air on where it would work or not.

Magic Negation is basically limited power null so refer back to power null.

The GEOM also has an unknown range as well so that's not doing any good for UKG.

Really the question here is what stopping the Emperor from whipping out his Existence Erasure and ending UKG before she becomes a threat to him. And if his Existence Erasure somehow fails he could still seal her away. In truth, this is a 4-B with High 1-B existence erasure and Regenerationn negation versus someone who at best is a really haxed 2-A.
 
Well

A- Currently he is only listed as possibly acasual, with the feat behind it sounding more like time paradox immunity. Even then, the magical girls in magia record could be crystallized magical girls, which despite meaning they too are possibly acasual, are still affected.

B- Based on the profile though, he lacks a resistance to both.

We do know however, that UKG's range is large planetary and constantly rising.

Likewise, what's stopping UKG from quite literally just seeing him? Note she is cosmically aware.
 
He's far more likely than not acausal, especially considering he's basically just a conduit for his true self.

If he didn't resist Power Null, the Chaos Gods (and many Greater Daemons) would have an absolute field day with him. Every psyker has Power Null to a degree, and likewise resists Power Null to a similar degree. Depends entirely on how strong they are.
 
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