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Can you link it?It is literally in the explanation page.
And?I don't mind it.
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Can you link it?It is literally in the explanation page.
And?I don't mind it.
It is in verse page.Can you link it?
Alright thxIt is in verse page.
I'm replying to this comment just so that it can be seen on the 3rd page.To get this out of the way beforehand, what I'm about to say has nothing to do with my previous points about Venuzdonoa. This is solely my refutation of the LoD argument.
1. "Lions of Destruction can destroy the Silver Sea (according to Dereck03)".
Absolutely not. The other Lions of Destruction (Naga, Bobonga, and Kostoria) were only stated to possess the power to destroy nations of a Deep World according to Balzarondo, who's actually fought them.
2. With his red threads of fate, Parrington took the body parts of the other Lions of Destruction to become a near-perfect Lion of Destruction himself. When he and Anos fought, they only affected the Deep World they were on, and didn't even destroy it. Keep in mind that even a single layer of the Silver Sea has countless Worlds (Bubbles) inside it, and the fight between Parrington and Anos only affected a single Deep World, which is infinitely small compared to even a single layer.
3. There are different ways to interpret Parrington's statement that Anos is "fated to destroy the Silver Sea", so why would you take it to mean that Anos can literally destroy the entire Silver Sea at once when none of his other feats are even remotely comparable?
4. If you interpret Parrington's statement that "Anos is fated to destroy the Silver Sea" as "Anos can literally destroy the entire Silver Sea at once", then consider, how would Parrington know that? The original conceptual LoD of which Anos is a perfect incarnation of is completely featless, and has never been stated by the author himself or the other characters in the story that it has destroyed the Silver Sea, much less an entire layer, so how is (that interpretation) of Parrington's statement proof?
5. There is absolutely no proof backing any of your arguments.
You realize I was just ******* with you right?To get this out of the way beforehand, what I'm about to say has nothing to do with my previous points about Venuzdonoa. This is solely my refutation of the LoD argument.
1. "Lions of Destruction can destroy the Silver Sea (according to Dereck03)".
Absolutely not. The other Lions of Destruction (Naga, Bobonga, and Kostoria) were only stated to possess the power to destroy nations of a Deep World according to Balzarondo, who's actually fought them.
2. With his red threads of fate, Parrington took the body parts of the other Lions of Destruction to become a near-perfect Lion of Destruction himself. When he and Anos fought, they only affected the Deep World they were on, and didn't even destroy it. Keep in mind that even a single layer of the Silver Sea has countless Worlds (Bubbles) inside it, and the fight between Parrington and Anos only affected a single Deep World, which is infinitely small compared to even a single layer.
3. There are different ways to interpret Parrington's statement that Anos is "fated to destroy the Silver Sea", so why would you take it to mean that Anos can literally destroy the entire Silver Sea at once when none of his other feats are even remotely comparable?
4. If you interpret Parrington's statement that "Anos is fated to destroy the Silver Sea" as "Anos can literally destroy the entire Silver Sea at once", then consider, how would Parrington know that? The original conceptual LoD of which Anos is a perfect incarnation of is completely featless, and has never been stated by the author himself or the other characters in the story that it has destroyed the Silver Sea, much less an entire layer, so how is (that interpretation) of Parrington's statement proof?
5. There is absolutely no proof backing any of your arguments.
I didn't, my bad.You realize I was just ******* with you right?
I am the exact opposite of a supporter or debater of MGK lolI didn't, my bad.
Proof?which explicitly refers to the Militia World).
Scan where thos is said?The statement only proves that Venuzdonoa holds absolute power in the Militia World.
Once again where are your scans for all these claimsTo further elaborate on this point, what Anos referred to as all of existence was the World and everything in it (because he didn't know about the Silver Sea).
The bubble is the world you nincompoop. World destroying statements= bubble not only what's inside the bubble. Gawd, man barely knows anything ♂Worlds can't even exist in the Silver Sea without being shielded by Bubbles, so you can't equate "all of existence (a World)" and Venuzdonoa working in Deeper Worlds to mean that Venuzdonoa can destroy the entire Silver Sea itself, when Worlds can't even exist in the first place without Bubbles.
You're now saying all characters powers only scale to what is inside the world? About to laugh my effing arse off right now. Say hi to all the characters who are blowing up bubbles themselves, absorbing magic from the silver sea itself, for me when meet them.so you can't equate "all of existence (a World)" and Venuzdonoa working in Deeper Worlds to mean that Venuzdonoa can destroy the entire Silver Sea itself, when Worlds can't even exist in the first place without Bubbles.
Here it comes!!!!!Lions of Destruction can destroy the Silver Sea (according to Dereck03)".
They are incomplete lions of destruction not perfect ones like anos. Destroying a Nation? Balzarondo who almost destroyed a world by trying to cast healing magic on his father? The same balzarondo and other characters that can destroy shallow bubbles simply by existingAbsolutely not. The other Lions of Destruction (Naga, Bobonga, and Kostoria) were only stated to possess the power to destroy nations of a Deep World according to Balzarondo, who's actually fought them.
Eldemade!!!! Go debunk goku to below planet level cause he hasn't destroyed a planet yet. DC≠ AP Powerscaling 101. Previous chapters before this, parrignton destroyed the dream world "falforal" with his EGA. Not to mention anos was using his father's magic (<Ravia Gig Gaverizd>, <Ravia Neold Galvarizen>) whose range can be restricted to not destroy a worldWith his red threads of fate, Parrington took the body parts of the other Lions of Destruction to become a near-perfect Lion of Destruction himself. When he and Anos fought, they only affected the Deep World they were on, and didn't even destroy it. Keep in mind that even a single layer of the Silver Sea has countless Worlds (Bubbles) inside it, and the fight between Parrington and Anos only affected a single Deep World, which is infinitely small compared to even a single layer.
Great you're now the author i see. "Has never been stated by the author or any character". Yeah, it's my ancestors who wrote it into the story then. Why won't it be featless? If it succeeded what story would we have to read.The original conceptual LoD of which Anos is a perfect incarnation of is completely featless, and has never been stated by the author himself or the other characters in the story that it has destroyed the Silver Sea, much less an entire layer, so how is (that interpretation) of Parrington's statement proof?
1. You're not supporting your argument by wasting time trying to argue over points like this. If you've read the series (like you imply I haven't), then you would know that Anos didn't even know that the World was inside a Bubble until 10 arcs after he made that statement about Venuzdonoa. Literally the only thing he could have been referring to is the World (Militia World), and we know that Worlds and the Silver Sea itself aren't the same thing. You're trying to argue against this point when no scans say otherwise to begin with.Proof?
Scan where thos is said?
Once again where are your scans for all these claimslaughing maniacally right now since i already know they don't exist.
The bubble is the world you nincompoop. World destroying statements= bubble not only what's inside the bubble. Gawd, man barely knows anything ♂
You're now saying all characters powers only scale to what is inside the world? About to laugh my effing arse off right now. Say hi to all the characters who are blowing up bubbles themselves, absorbing magic from the silver sea itself, for me when meet them.
Here it comes!!!!!Time to clown on this dude
They are incomplete lions of destruction not perfect ones like anos. Destroying a Nation? Balzarondo who almost destroyed a world by trying to cast healing magic on his father? The same balzarondo and other characters that can destroy shallow bubbles simply by existing?
Eldemade!!!! Go debunk goku to below planet level cause he hasn't destroyed a planet yet. DC≠ AP Powerscaling 101. Previous chapters before this, parrignton destroyed the dream world "falforal" with his EGA. Not to mention anos was using his father's magic (<Ravia Gig Gaverizd>, <Ravia Neold Galvarizen>) whose range can be restricted to not destroy a world
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Not to mention Anos had not awoken to his instincts as a lion of destruction either.
Great you're now the author i see. "Has never been stated by the author or any character". Yeah, it's my ancestors who wrote it into the story then. Why won't it be featless? If it succeeded what story would we have to read.
Lemme say it once again. Not only is this CRT mediocre(yes i said it)at best, it uses arguments that have been refuted and rejected 3 times already(for comparison sake, imagine if @EldemadeDityjon made another plot CRT with the same arguments, again),has zero scans, filled with headcanon, OP barely even knowing full context surrounding the cosmology, is hypocritic in it's arguments.
The OP is basically saying Anos had no knowledge of the silver sea as such its destroying statement only deals with what is inside the world but is ignoring the fact that Anos subconsciously has/developed magic beyond the scope of his worlds knowledge. If this "did not know about the silver sea" is applied to downgrade Venuzdonoa then lets downgrade all world destroying spells as the characters who have them didn't know about the silver sea thus the statements of destroying deep layer inhabitants, deep worlds, the bubble is clearly an outlier or a case of DoA.
Venuzdonoa is anos greatest and most powerful magic, his weaker stuff has worked beyond the scope of what he thought his knowledge is limited to, has negative anti-feats, literally has a statement of destroying anything in existence regardless of how sturdy, infinite or eternal it is. It does so by destroying logic. Logic> Order, the very laws, concepts, principles, providence that govern all things in the verse to such an extent that nothing can exist without order and if any Order is destroyed, that entire reality gets destroyed as well.
Graham said both he and Anos are Misfits who aren't bound to order and logic. Did he know about the sea? He didn't still their nature as Misfits is beyond the entire Order in the silver sea.
I'm not making "the same" arguments. My main arguments are different, but they're supported by the previous arguments because they provide extra context.I guess a discussion rule should be made. People who are trying to downgrade the verse using the same Arguments again and again with no new evidence.
As even @Everything12 said you are using the same Arguments. There is no extra context. You haven't provided a single scans yetI'm not making "the same" arguments. My main arguments are different, but they're supported by the previous arguments because they provide extra context.
******* what? He definitely didn't say that. Debate all you like but please don't lie about what mods have said. Last I checked, he also seemed to agree with the downgrade, on the premise that the Venuzdonoa statement is something of an NLF.As even @Everything12 said you are using the same Arguments. There is no extra context. You haven't provided a single scans yet
Everything12 reply******* what? He definitely didn't say that. Debate all you like but please don't lie about what mods have said. Last I checked, he also seemed to agree with the downgrade, on the premise that the Venuzdonoa statement is something of an NLF.
Anyways, two staff (@Everything12 and @Planck69) AGREE with the downgrade as it is now, so quit trying to push for closing the thread.
Yeah I am the one who is lying that's crazy. Stop nitpicking again.Meanwhile, Ano's full potential comes from him being the Lion of Destruction prophesied to destroy the while Silver Sea, so while I have some issues, the logic of this downgrade doesn't change anything.
"the logic of this downgrade doesn't change anything"Everything12 reply
Yeah I am the one who is lying that's crazy. Stop nitpicking again.
Who makes the statement that Anos can destroy the Silver Sea?Sorry to say but that doesn't change the outcome that Venuz = Anos and Anos can destroy the silver sea.
. Unless people drops a scan for Anti feats for Venozdonor it's rating should remain the sameSorry to say but that doesn't change the outcome that Venuz = Anos and Anos can destroy the silver sea.
No you accused me of lying where he said he has some issues still logic of this Downgrade doesn't change anything. Crazy unless he comes back and says he meant as he agrees with downgrade your wording and twisting means nothing. He literally used "Still" & "this""the logic of this downgrade doesn't change anything"
Dude, that's literally the post where he says the Venuzdonoa statement is an NLF. What he's saying here isn't that the downgrade is wrong or uses old arguments, he's saying he believes it's valid but won't affect the scaling too much.
I know right. 3 threads with same Arguments which are already got rejected and here we are arguing with the same.This thread is still going on?
Dominic Arzenon who was the grandfather of Anos' mother and who had a direct connection to the lions of destruction and was the strongest of them (except for Anos) and Parrington Anessa who was the brother of Anos' mother and who was connected to the lions of destruction and killed the aforementioned Dominic. So they are practically statments from the lions of destruction and Anos is still stronger than them (and they were said to be the most powerful among them) and venuzdonoa is on equal footing with Anos, even more so when neither anos nor venuz have shown their true destructive power.Who makes the statement that Anos can destroy the Silver Sea?
Irrelevant as he has knowledge on magic beyond the scope of his world.then you would know that Anos didn't even know that the World was inside a Bubble until 10 arcs after he made that statement about Venuzdonoa.
You're the one saying the statement only referred to the militia world now where are the scans to prove this? Why is Venuzdonoa still working without the need to deepen it?by trying to argue against claims which I haven't made.
Thanks for proving your knowledge is actually limited.(When has that happened in the story)?
Literally the only one that scales to Venuzdonoa is anos. What's your point?True, DC and AP aren't the same thing. But none of the characters in the series have feats of DC that would scale other characters' AP to being capable of destroying the Silver Sea. Your point is null
Nothing I've said has contradicted the author whatsoever.
Keep contradicting yourself buddy. 5 times now.The original conceptual LoD of which Anos is a perfect incarnation of is completely featless, and has never been stated by the author himself or the other characters in the story that it has destroyed the Silver Sea
Cause he's the one with the most knowledge on it? Not only is the LoD being capable of destroying the sea known to only parrington, it's known to the entire pabloheterawasn't a statement by the narrative. It's a statement by Parrington. Why are you treating Parrington
There's nothing to address. First bring the scans that prove your statementYou've said all of that in your reply to my LoD comment, but none of your points even address the main Venuzdonoa argument to begin with.
Which doesn't mean he said anyone was repeating arguments...No you accused me of lying where he said he has some issues still logic of this Downgrade doesn't change anything. Crazy unless he comes back and says he meant as he agrees with downgrade your wording and twisting means nothing. He literally used "Still" & "this"
Means he is referring this downgrade doesn't change anything from previous downgrade.
Got it, thank you.Dominic Arzenon who was the grandfather of Anos' mother and who had a direct connection to the lions of destruction and was the strongest of them (except for Anos) and Parrington Anessa who was the brother of Anos' mother and who was connected to the lions of destruction and killed the aforementioned Dominic. So they are practically statments from the lions of destruction and Anos is still stronger than them (and they were said to be the most powerful among them) and venuzdonoa is on equal footing with Anos, even more so when neither anos nor venuz have shown their true destructive power.
Doens't change the fact him saying the arguments are same as previous thread.Which doesn't mean he said anyone was repeating arguments...
"Well I agree with the argument that Venuzdonoa's statement without feats close to the level is borderline NFL, and only stops short because it restricts itself to the size of the cosmology of it's series. Still shouldn't be logic we accept." Were his exact words. It means that the justification currently used for Venuzdonoa's AP is wrong because it is an NLF. If Venuzdonoa still scaling to the SS indirectly via scaling to Anos is still valid, then change the AP justification to reflect that.
There's literally nothing knew here. The only new thing you brought is anos statement of "anything in creation" which the LN changed creation to existence. You then tried to say the LN is inferior to the WN and changes nothing when everyone knows that WN's are merely draftsI'm not making "the same" arguments. My main arguments are different, but they're supported by the previous arguments because they provide extra context.
I could agree to reform the AP section, as previously mentioned, most of venuzdonoa's"Well I agree with the argument that Venuzdonoa's statement without feats close to the level is borderline NFL, and only stops short because it restricts itself to the size of the cosmology of it's series. Still shouldn't be logic we accept." Were his exact words. It means that the justification currently used for Venuzdonoa's AP is wrong because it is an NLF. If Venuzdonoa still scaling to the SS indirectly via scaling to Anos is still valid, then change the AP justification to reflect that.
It's an NLF only when it has shown limitations to its statement and by our standards we don't scale it to boundless but limit it to the cosmology.Dude, that's literally the post where he says the Venuzdonoa statement is an NLF. What he's saying here isn't that the downgrade is wrong or uses old arguments, he's saying he believes it's valid but won't affect the scaling too much.
his entire thread has been you claiming something then shying away ftom it.Tatsumi, you lose more and more validity each time you claim I say something that I haven't.
I asked the same thing before, but he didn't not respondedDo you have any scans, that says venzudonor was unable to destroy it or it was failed to destroy anything.
But literally Venuzdonoa has destroyed all things in creation no matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is.... Where is there anything that venuzdonoa has not been able to destroy?
Anos sang his own opening, so he's in the real world, so his claim is valid to the real world as well.The real world
As a VsB user, you should know that the term "Destroy" can refer to the same thing and still scale differently. For example (and this is just for example), the statement "The World was destroyed" can have different meanings depending on the series. In some series, it means the entire planet was blown up. In others, it might mean that only the surface of the planet was destroyed. In yet even others, it might simply mean that all life has been wiped out. You determine which interpretation of the statement "Destroyed" is valid based off of the context clues of the series itself.Dominic Arzenon who was the grandfather of Anos' mother and who had a direct connection to the lions of destruction and was the strongest of them (except for Anos) and Parrington Anessa who was the brother of Anos' mother and who was connected to the lions of destruction and killed the aforementioned Dominic. So they are practically statments from the lions of destruction and Anos is still stronger than them (and they were said to be the most powerful among them) and venuzdonoa is on equal footing with Anos, even more so when neither anos nor venuz have shown their true destructive power.