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Venom Profile Cleanup
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Yeah the only key that's really viable for removal is Magic Venom as it only appeared in three issues but the rest of his keys are long term forms that were integral to multiple storylines
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Did the powers that he duplicated to fight Carnage last for a very prolonged period of time?
Anti-Venom was a prolonged defining part of his career, and Toxin may or may not qualify, but the others do not seem anywhere near long-lasting and significant enough, and Captain Universe has never been anywhere near this powerful in other storylines,
Anti-Venom was a prolonged defining part of his career, and Toxin may or may not qualify, but the others do not seem anywhere near long-lasting and significant enough, and Captain Universe has never been anywhere near this powerful in other storylines,
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If we make a separate Captain Universe profile page, sure, but we should not give statistics keys for 1-issue or non-essential power-ups for Marvel and DC characters in the first place. It creates irrelevant clutter everywhere.
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I thought Captain Universe's power level varies from hist to host? Plus Eddie kinda had both Mjolnir and the Silver Surfer's board as a combined weapon
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They were absorbed into Venom in the same way that Carnage absorbed the codexes to get stronger and absorb the powers of the other symbiotes
Eddie was Toxin longer than he was Anti-Venom, just saying
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It multiplies the already existing power of a host by a set amount, officially just by 50, but in practice considerably more.
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So I have read the issue, at seems pretty clear that Captain Universe Eddy was an absolute one-off, it leaves him just after he removes the connection of Knull from his son.
Venom's power likely increased, but a "Enigma Force + Silver Board + Mjolnir" key Venom is not right. Maybe something like Post-King In Black (Or just King In Black) key.
Venom's power likely increased, but a "Enigma Force + Silver Board + Mjolnir" key Venom is not right. Maybe something like Post-King In Black (Or just King In Black) key.
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30+ issues while Anti-Vnom was only in 27
Seeing as we have Juggrnaut at a varying 5-A to 4-B and he is describd as being as strong as Thing and matched fully amped Dark Carnage who could beat 5-A Hulk and Captain Marvel, yes
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Agreed. This key should be removed.
Okay. That is acceptable to keep then.
That is not what I asked. I asked if Venom permanently kept his beyond Juggernaut level power-up from when he defeated Carnage with help from various codexes?
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He did yes, he got the power from absorbing codexes into Venom in the same way that Dark carnage did, th power is a permanent part of him
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im not sure if venom kept the power. It was stated that carnage's death destroyed the codices, and later a hostless venom loses to hostless carnage without any codices
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well large planet venom was kept for about 1 issue if my premise above stands. kitty pryde lost her 1 issue buff on site recently
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Yeah im really not for removing the captain universe key either
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im fine with the removal of captain universe. it should eventually be replaced with king in black eddie
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Yes, given the extremely long histories and great problems with consistent scaling for these characters, we definitely shouldn't list every single brief power-up that they have ever gone through, or succumb to recentism either. They have been around for 60-80 years now. A few pages in a new single monthly release is nothing.
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you could do this as a compromise if we want king in black eddie rn:
he should scale higher than dark carnage via larger hive connection. as i stated in the other crt, him scaling 1 to 1 to knull isnt proven yet, but you could a possibly 2-a i guess
he should scale higher than dark carnage via larger hive connection. as i stated in the other crt, him scaling 1 to 1 to knull isnt proven yet, but you could a possibly 2-a i guess
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so Like: Large Planet, possibly Multiversal+
or we could wait for direct feats
or we could wait for direct feats
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You act there’re so many transformations lol, again some of this have been longer then some of the pages we have
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why should captain universe stay though?
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i mean im fine with waiting. it was just a compromise proposal if necessary
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Again, 60-80 years is a long time for a human, and a few pages is definitely not noteworthy in the context of likely over a hundred thousand comic book issues. In addition, much of the entire point of our Marvel and DC Comics policies is that we need consistency to scale from in order to accommodate for that the power levels are so ridiculously unstable, including in relation to other characters.
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should the other venom crt be closed. this one encompasses all the relevant decisions that need to be made it seems
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Ant i hate to say it but seeing as 95% of the profiles are frankly terrible and the other 5% are barred from being properly cleand up as a result of said standards standards maybe the standards are part of the problem
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Why should Ryuko matoi have Kisaragi as a key when she had the transformation for less than one episode? Or Baryon Mode Naruto which existed for a single chapter? Or Shadow Luffy who existed for only a single fight? We hav so many profiles that have keys for powerups that exist for limited amounts of time yet oly Marvel and DC are banned from including them
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For reasons that I have already explained above. They have far longer histories spanning a staggeringly greater number of stories and writers, which creates enormous inconsistencies, and the only way we have to counteract that is to go with the most consistent power level portrayals across many appearances. If we did not have any rules regarding this, there would be no point to featuring Marvel and DC characters in the wiki at all, since everybody would be 1-A via long scaling chains.
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naruto one doesnt work as its something naruto could hypothetically use at anytime prior if he had been given the knowledge on how to use it.
as for ryuko, I'll quote a friend of mine:
Isn’t Senketsu Kisaragi non-standard for Ryuko?
Ryuko gains power and abilities over the course series by absorbing life fibers from defeated opponents. These powers/abilities then become a permanent part of her arsenal. While the entire cast may have willingly given up their uniforms’ Life Fibers to allow her to access the form in the first place, nothing suggests she wouldn’t have been able to access it at will after that. The only reason why it never happens is that absorbing Ragyo’s Shinra-Koketsu during the final battle overloads Senketsu and kills him, preventing him from ever being used in another fight. There’s nothing to otherwise suggest it was a one-time thing, as Senketsu wouldn’t really have a reason to regurgitate the Life Fibers he absorbed or something.
I should also mention it is the culmination of her story arc. Captain universe isnt for eddie. it is a one time plot device given to him. If anything, him being the new king in black is the organic (story writing wise) culmination of his recent arc.
as for ryuko, I'll quote a friend of mine:
Isn’t Senketsu Kisaragi non-standard for Ryuko?
Ryuko gains power and abilities over the course series by absorbing life fibers from defeated opponents. These powers/abilities then become a permanent part of her arsenal. While the entire cast may have willingly given up their uniforms’ Life Fibers to allow her to access the form in the first place, nothing suggests she wouldn’t have been able to access it at will after that. The only reason why it never happens is that absorbing Ragyo’s Shinra-Koketsu during the final battle overloads Senketsu and kills him, preventing him from ever being used in another fight. There’s nothing to otherwise suggest it was a one-time thing, as Senketsu wouldn’t really have a reason to regurgitate the Life Fibers he absorbed or something.
I should also mention it is the culmination of her story arc. Captain universe isnt for eddie. it is a one time plot device given to him. If anything, him being the new king in black is the organic (story writing wise) culmination of his recent arc.
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i think perhaps more discussion can be done on the large planet key, if anyone has issues with my premise above:
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Yes, this key should be removed as well if the power-up only lasted for a few pages.
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...Okay im going to assume your not caught up on Venom as a character or storyline from you sayig this. Captain Universe is 100000% the culmination of Eddie's current storyline, the last few years have had Eddie in a redemption arc for his past actions, the Uni-Power choosing him as the next Captain Universe as well as Mjolnir deeming him worthy are absolutely the culmination of this storyline
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The Keys don't even have problems stat wise so
Heck you're acting like other people having that many alternate forms lol, Richard Rider who while not an A lister is still fairly popular and has over 400 issues to his name and has like 4-5 Keys at best so I really doubt people have so many random power ups as you're claiming they have
