Usopp vs Enel

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[Rez]

See you are wrong about logia once a logia goes intangible their whole body goes intangible

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Wrong even when crocodile had a body Luffy's attacks passed right through him and also Enel has self substance type 1 Ceasar gas is different from Ussop's it can hold affect things physically

Crocodile has a body, but it's intangible when attacked with direct hits due to Logia. He doesn't have Inorganic Physiology unless he turns into sand beforehand.

Having Self-Sustenance is Irrelevant, that means Enel doesn't have to breathe, not that he doesn't breath. We see Enel panting after getting weaker, he does breath, even though he doesn't need to.


Caesar's Gas being different is not the point, the point is, Gas can affect and interact with Logia Users. Sleeping Gas would be no different.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The Body becoming intangible /=/ The Body being inorganic.

His body only becomes inorganic AFTER the hit, or being turned into the element. Not before.

 

[Rez]

The Body becoming intangible /=/ The Body being inorganic.

His body only becomes inorganic AFTER the hit, or being turned into the element. Not before.

The body being intangible is the body being inorganic since logia intangibility is elemental and Ceasars gas is way different Ussop's gas can't grab something and throw it and Ceasar never used sleep manipulation like attack on smoker

 

[Rez]

If the rest of the body wasn't inorganic then crocodile would have died when luffy ate him

 

[Rez]

Type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance: The ability to live indefinitely without oxygen (or whatever substance that the creature's species breathes). This includes surviving in the vacuum of space or in the depths of an ocean. This may provide resistance to certain gas-based toxins

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Usopp ain't dodging this close range and Enel doesn't need to look like he has turned to lightning to be fully in logia form... Enel has better observation haki so he can turn into lightning when ever he needs to... Or forever... You are downplaying Enel and Wanking Usopp to the max... Even trying to wank him above the max (Enel is literally lightning... He is one with the lightning and lightning doesn't need to breath or do anything humans need to do(becoming sick, get disease's or any of that)...)

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The body being intangible is the body being inorganic since logia intangibility is elemental and Ceasars gas is way different Ussop's gas can't grab something and throw it and Ceasar never used sleep manipulation like attack on smoker

Not really. The body being intangible doesn't mean the body itself is inorganic at all moments, only when he turns into the element itself in a literal sense. Again, he still has functioning organs, and lungs, if he inhales it, he will get affected. It is as simple as that.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Usopp ain't dodging this close range and Enel doesn't need to look like he has turned to lightning to be fully in logia form... Enel has better observation haki so he can turn into lightning when ever he needs to... Or forever... You are downplaying Enel and Wanking Usopp to the max... Even trying to wank him above the max (Enel is literally lightning... He is one with the lightning and lightning doesn't need to breath or do anything humans need to do(becoming sick, get disease's or any of that)...)

You're comparing a Post TS character with a Pre TS one who gets ****** by Gearless Luffy, sit down.
Yes, Wano Arc Usopp is dodging a point-blank El Thor, he has the speed to do it, you're just claiming he doesn't without providing any compelling evidence.

Make a CRT about it, but as of now, Enel does not have inorganic physiology without being turned into Electricity.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance: The ability to live indefinitely without oxygen (or whatever substance that the creature's species breathes). This includes surviving in the vacuum of space or in the depths of an ocean. This may provide resistance to certain gas-based toxins

That is due to the character not inhaling or breathing, which Enel does, as proved earlier. He doesn't need to, but he does it anyway.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You're comparing a Post TS character with a Pre TS one who gets ****** by Gearless Luffy, sit down

So Usopp is Stronger then Pre Timeskip Luffy

Yes, Wano Arc Usopp is dodging a point-blank El Thor, he has the speed to do it, you're just claiming he doesn't without providing any compelling evidence

That's like saying usopp can dodge light speed against someone with pre cog...

Make a CRT about it, but as of now, Enel does not have inorganic physiology without being turned into Electricity.

He will turn into Lightning with pre cog....

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So Usopp is Stronger then Pre Timeskip Luffy

Gearless Luffy? Absolutely, lmao. He has both, the speed, and the AP advantage in this case.

That's like saying usopp can dodge light speed against someone with pre cog...

Strawman, that's not the same thing at all. Also, Usopp can react to Kizaru, wtf are you even talking about lmao

He will turn into Lightning with pre cog....

He can see a few moments in the future. It's not something crazy enough for him to dodge everything, specially when Usopp has the absolute speed advantage.

 

[Rez]

He can see a few moments in the future. It's not something crazy enough for him to dodge everything, specially when Usopp has the absolute speed advantage.

Wrong
He is an inept user
Inept Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the ability to activate Observation Haki, but with little to no control. They can infrequently sense the presence of others, see brief premonitions of the future with immense focus and desperation, but otherwise can not effectively utilize or disable the ability.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Wrong
He is an inept user
Inept Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the ability to activate Observation Haki, but with little to no control. They can infrequently sense the presence of others, see brief premonitions of the future with immense focus and desperation, but otherwise can not effectively utilize or disable the ability.

I was referring to Enel in the first "he".

 

[Rez]

Meanwhile Enel is proficient which includes this

• Rudimentary Haki Users: Haki users in this class are capable of actively using the ability with little issue. They can actively sense the presence and aura of others within their close proximity (typically up to a few hundred meters), infrequently have premonitions of the very brief future, and even sense the feelings and intentionsof targeted individuals.
• Proficient Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the capacity to sense events transpiring over a large distance away (typically several kilometers), and can actively see glimpses into the future, and sense exactly how those within range feel and what their next set of actions will be. Users of this level can use all the basic applications of this power to a higher degree and do not have issues with functionality like those of lower tiers.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Gearless Luffy? Absolutely, lmao. He has both, the speed, and the AP advantage in this case.

Link Post Timeskip Usopp ain't faster then base Luffy pre timeskip

 

[Rez]

Enel being able to see future actively pretty much nulls the sleep manipulation wincon if the inorganic physiology and self substance somehow doesn't

 

[Rez]

Again if the lower half of the body wasn't inorganic in this scan crocodile would have died

 

[Rez]

Having Self-Sustenance is Irrelevant, that means Enel doesn't have to breathe, not that he doesn't breath. We see Enel panting after getting weaker, he does breath, even though he doesn't need to.

Yeah when someone is half beaten up to death and starts lacking stamina that will happen

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah when someone is half beaten up to death and starts lacking stamina that will happen

The circumstances for it are irrelevant, his body is interacting and inhaling gas, end of story.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Link Post Timeskip Usopp ain't faster then base Luffy pre timeskip

Yes he is. He scales with Caesar in his profile, rip.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Again if the lower half of the body wasn't inorganic in this scan crocodile would have died

That's not an argument. The portion of his body that wasn't turned into sand was organic. He doesn't NEED to be inorganic at all times to be separated from his body, that's not related at ALL

 

[Rez]

The circumstances for it are irrelevant, his body is interacting and inhaling gas, end of story.

The circumstance are definitely relevant when the body is pushed to limits it automatically starts anaerobic respiration

 

[Rez]

That's definitely relevant if the portion was organic he will be dead

That's not an argument. The portion of his body that wasn't turned into sand was organic. He doesn't NEED to be inorganic at all times to be separated from his body, that's not related at ALL

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Enel being able to see future actively pretty much nulls the sleep manipulation wincon if the inorganic physiology and self substance somehow doesn't

What? He can see GLIMPSES in the future, this does NOT null the considerably relevant speed advantage.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's definitely relevant if the portion was organic he will be dead

Why? That's not related AT ALL
His Logia form allows him to be separated from his body, the consistency of said body is IRRELEVANT to the capability.

 

[Rez]

It does the speed advantage is not that big they are both massively hypersonic

What? He can see GLIMPSES in the future, this does NOT null the considerably relevant speed advantage.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The circumstance are definitely relevant when the body is pushed to limits it automatically starts anaerobic respiration

No, they are not. Doesn't matter what caused it, this proves inhalant gas CAN interact with his body. And he automatically breathes despise not needing to, why the hell would this NOT be the case normally?

 

[Rez]

Why? That's not related AT ALL
His Logia form allows him to be separated from his body, the consistency of said body is IRRELEVANT to the capability.

No that's stupid it doesn't allow to be separated from their organic body any damage done to their organic body is permanent like aokiji's leg

 

[Rez]

And he automatically breathes despise not needing to, why the hell would this NOT be the case normally?

Because that's how human body works anaerobic respiration starts when a person is pushed to their limits it's automatic the purpose is to create more energy you can't stop it

 

[GodlyCharmander]

It does the speed advantage is not that big they are both massively hypersonic

it is big. MHS+ can vary from Mach 1000 to 8800, that's literally a 8x advantage. Enel is in the lowest end, being Mach 1243.
Also, Usopp's reaction speed scales to Zoro's in the profile. So he should be superior to this
That's almost a 5.5x advantage, a little glimpse is not going to solve for that, a 2x advantage is enough to be speedblitzed in One Piece. (Hanabo)

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No that's stupid it doesn't allow to be separated from their organic body any damage done to their organic body is permanent like aokiji's leg

oh, so the body is organic. Thank you.

And yes, it does allow it to be separated, if it's not by direct damage.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Because that's how human body works anaerobic respiration starts when a person is pushed to their limits it's automatic the purpose is to create more energy you can't stop it

If "that's how human body works" is an argument, then Enel breathes normally. He has breathing his entire life, otherwise he wouldn't instinctively react like that, so he likely breathes normally as well

 

[Rez]

oh, so the body is organic. Thank you.

And yes, it does allow it to be separated, if it's not by direct damage.

By organic I refer when they are not in thier logia form and their Devil fruits affect is not active it only allows them to be separated because they inorganic in their logia form otherwise it will mean death that's how aokiji lost his leg because haki nulls the logia form

 

[GodlyCharmander]

By organic I refer when they are not in thier logia form and their Devil fruits affect is not active it only allows them to be separated because they inorganic in their logia form otherwise it will mean death that's how aokiji lost his leg because haki nulls the logia form

They are only in their logia form when their body is turned into the element. Otherwise, it's an organic body that can turn into an element when hit, nothing more than that.

 

[Rez]

If "that's how human body works" is an argument, then Enel breathes normally. He has breathing his entire life, otherwise he wouldn't instinctively react like that, so he likely breathes normally as well

No that's not the case anaerobic is something the body forcefully does

 

[Rez]

They are only in their logia form when their body is turned into the element. Otherwise, it's an organic body that can turn into an element when hit, nothing more than that.

If that was the case crocodile would have been dead

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No that's not the case anaerobic is something the body forcefully does

That's incorrect, if he doesn't need this to survive, the body wouldn't forcefully make him do that. It's instinct because again, he has been breathing his entire life.