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Upgrading Lord of the Mysteries
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i thought they're getting 1-A hax
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Original Creator is getting 1-A if we’re making a profile for him as all characteristics and authorities stem from him.
Pillars are also possibly 1-A as we’ve seen Adam create fake Authorities using the Chaos Sea and we’ve also seen Celestial Worthy shake the Astral World.
Mind you, Pillars are incomparably stronger than a Sequence 0 as all of them have universal range feats (MGOD affecting all femininity in the universe, CW shaking Astral Realm, Fourth Pillar being able to destroy the universe)
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Do Sequence 0 not have 1-A range, but have 1-A potency?
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Range for Sequence 0’s are really unclear. And again, I don’t think they have 1-A potency. It’s just that their powers stem from a 1-A source.
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Have no issues with the Spirit World, Sefirah Castle, Painting Worlds, Astral World and Original Creator Tiers. The rest I'm neutral on.
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I believe we can move forward now based on whatever decision Ultima makes from my previous reply to him:
Side note: This thread is becoming a bit cluttered, as some comments are revisiting topics that have already been discussed. It would be helpful if everyone could take a moment to read through the previous posts before adding their thoughts. (I'm not talking about you spaceman, you're good)
Also, should I add you to the "agree" counter?
Edit: I asked Spaceman if on his profile wall, if I could add him, and he said yes.
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I'm just seeing this now, and only does a quick ctrl+f over the blog, but if this is accepted do we scale Beyonder hax to Original creator because of godhood?
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No. Not even S0s are getting 1-A. The hax are simply scaled to their actual feats.
Again, for the last time, only OC and Pillars are getting 1-A, with the latter being AP/hax only.
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Eh, at least from the info we got Beyonder hax potency should scale to whatever the OC state of existence is at least, we know that Beyonder resist hax because of their godhood/divinity, we learn that every living being have godhood, so the reason "higher level Beyonder generally resist lower level hax just because of their level" should be because they have more godhood
we're told this through the Aurora Order philosophy (i forgot what chapter it is we're told this in the original and the wiki only reference CoI
And Klein apotheosis
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This is why people need to read the CRT before commenting, it’s becoming redundant at this point having to re-state these points.
For the last time, the gist is that the powers stem from a 1-A source (Authority), but they only affect that which is below that source so Low 1-A (most likely just Low 1-C) and below. Pillars are 1-A because they can affect the literal Authorities themselves (like Adam creating some with the Chaos Sea or CW shaking the Astral World).
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Well yeah, sorry if it's already brought up, i just read that authority part, i think it's more correct to say the source of power is the Beyonder characteristic, Uniqueness, Sefirot, once they get to Uniqueness that are illusory abstract things that embody a concept, accommodating a Uniqueness is what makes the god equal to the embodiment of the concept(s) (from author previous novel this seems equal to illusory Great Dao, a source of the laws and principles), this is what contains the Authorities, which means a control over something (a domain) and over their Pathway(s) lower level Beyonders
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This topic has already been addressed. Beyonder characteristics and uniqueness are projections of the authorities within the Astral World. Please review the previous thread thoroughly, including all comments, to understand the discussion fully. The OC and the Astral World are ontologically equivalent, as explained earlier in the thread. I'd prefer not to reiterate everything, so a careful re-read would be appreciated.
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Which is why consuming Beyonder characteristic and uniqueness they gain control of the part of the Authority within the Astral World?
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Sorry if im mistaken, that comments implies only True God (and above) have authorities and only one, from what i remember even Angels already have a certain amount of authorities (Arianna over Concealment), and Uniqueness spans authorities over multiple domains (Klein's Fate, History, Mind)
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I just searched it, i meant something like this
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While we wait for Ultima to make a finalized decision and close this thread, I’ll take this opportunity to list the high-tier characters in Lord of the Mysteries. Currently, the only people with significant power who are listed on VSBW are Klein and Amon, while the rest are low-tier fodder, which may explain some of the downplaying.
I'll highlight the ones we're currently working on creating / editing profiles for. As for the others, we might get to them eventually, but for now, there are just too many.
Red = Making Profile
Green = Editing
I'll highlight the ones we're currently working on creating / editing profiles for. As for the others, we might get to them eventually, but for now, there are just too many.
Red = Making Profile
Green = Editing
Original Creator:
- The Oldest One
Pillars:
- Mother Goddess of Depravity
- Celestial Worthy of Heaven and Earth
- God Almighty
- Ancient Sun God (qseudo)
- Hidden Fourth Pillar
Current Known Great Old Ones (GOOs):
- Mother Tree of Desire
- Son of Chaos
- Primordial Hunger
- Circle of Inevitability
- Supernova Dominator
- Inextinguishable Ravings
- Monarch of Decay
- High-Dimensional Overseer
- Goddess of Fate (she may be either a Great Old One or an Outer God at Sequence 0, not fully certain)
- Klein Moretti (half)
- Adam (half)
- Amon (previously half)
Past Great Old Ones:
- Key of Light
- Demon of Knowledge
- Goddess of Origin
- Eternal Darkness
- Calamity of Destruction
- Father of Devils
Sequence 0 Gods:
- Demonic Wolf Flegrea
- Phoenix Ancestor Gregrace
- Dragon of Imagination Ankewelt
- True Creator
- Eternal Blazing Sun
- Lord of Storms
- God of Knowledge and Wisdom
- Elf King Soniathrym
- Evernight Goddess
- Salinger
- God of Combat
- Giant King Aurmir
- Primordial Demoness
- Blood Emperor Alista Tudor (my goat)
- God of Steam and Machinery
- Earth Mother
- Sanguine Ancestor Lilith
- Black Emperor Solomon
- Night Emperor Trunsoest
- Hidden Sage (quasi Sequence 0)
- Dark Side of the Universe
- Roselle
As for King of Angels, Archangels, Angels, Demi-gods, and below...
I’ll leave that discussion for another time.
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i agree we should go with this and wait for ultima to finalize and close the CRT.
I think we can move forward with what ultima decides regarding this.
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Bump
Specifically waiting for you @Ultima_Reality so we can lock this thread.
Since you agree that pillars (who have feats such as shaking the astral world) are 1-A, we need you to finalize where you place gods. Would it be L1-A or L1-C?
Specifically waiting for you @Ultima_Reality so we can lock this thread.
Since you agree that pillars (who have feats such as shaking the astral world) are 1-A, we need you to finalize where you place gods. Would it be L1-A or L1-C?
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Blue names @'s don't work on staff members, unfortuantely
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Bumping this so it can be concluded.
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Interesting thing to think about. Low 1-A (I suppose, arbitrarily far into Low 1-A, which is something that can only be approximately accounted for by the Tiering System, in the circumstance where the being with this power isn't 1-A in-and-of-themselves) is fine as a rating for their general abilities, I'd say. Where would Low 1-C come from, exactly?
Whether that scales to anyone physically, I leave to you all.
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Alright, let's proceed with L1-A. This thread is ready to be locked. As discussed earlier, Low 1-C would have been because of the Eternal Blazing Sun shaking Sefirah Castle, which we covered at the beginning of this thread.
In terms of physical, I don't believe anyone outside of the Original Creator reaches Tier 1 scaling.
Can we start to apply the changes?
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Low-1C comes from feats like Ankewelt (a Sequence 0) creating a world with it’s very own Spirit World which we’ve already concluded contains higher spatial dimensions. This and a flurry of other supporting feats. + this is also heavily supported by the narrative.
Anyways, I’d argue that we should close this thread as it’s been going on for like 3 months and there hasn’t been any contention aside from the fact the characters themselves don’t physically scale to such points, which we’ve already concluded.
In the case we do close the thread, is it safe to assume we can start applying the changes?
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Best to apply the changes while the thread is still open and close it down when all of that is finished.
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yeah lets proceed with this.
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Alright, we will start to apply the changes.
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I have applied the changes: Klein's profile & Amon's profile
It looks like this thread is now complete.
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Tier 1 with Athletic Human speed is hilarious.
Anyway: You should probably note what Authorities are (The definitions of things, unconditioned by all their particulars, etc etc) and then clarify that Low 1-A is off of having control over everything that's sourced from the Authorities of space and time. Makes the justification clearer. (Noting the Authorities are above the concepts manifested in the normal world and also the R>F dream stuff doesn't hurt, either)
As for this:
Was this ever decided? I remember rejecting 6-D, at least.
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Alright
Yes, as you said, we kept Sefirah Castle/the space above the gray fog at 5D. On the profiles, we've listed it as Low Complex Multiversal (5D), rather than Complex Multiversal (6D).
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Right, the speed revisions are currently being made obviously.
Anyways, yeah, we could probably go more in-depth with Authorities. But the R>F stuff is only for Original Creator, who scales higher than the rest of the cast.
That’s a different feat you are talking about which is not being factored here. We aren’t aiming for 6D here, but just to show that Sefirah Castle scales at least to 5D, which is overall used as supporting evidence alongside the other feat presented for Low 1-C.
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Yeah, okay.
I thought the Astral Plane was being argued to be on the same ontological level as the Original Creator?
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Actually, you’re right here. Had a last minute brainfart. The Astral World contains all the authorities, while the Original Creator is the amalgamation of all these authorities.
So they are on the same ontological level, I just accidentally mistook the fact that all Authorities are derived from him to make a difference.
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They are on the same ontological level yes.
Anyway, we'll implement the changes you requested within the next day. I'll let you know once we're finished.
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We've created a more detailed page about Authorities covering everything you requested. I'll begin linking the Klein and Amon profiles to it.
Edit: I've finished linking the terms "Authorities" and "Authority" on the character pages to the explanation page. Also changed some wording to match the explanation page.
Edit 2: Are we finally done with this CRT?
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Btw, I edited Klein’s 1-A section to remove all the unnecessary text that is better explained in the Authorities pageWe've created a more detailed page about Authorities covering everything you requested. I'll begin linking the Klein and Amon profiles to it.
Edit: I've finished linking the terms "Authorities" and "Authority" on the character pages to the explanation page. Also changed some wording to match the explanation page.
Edit 2: Are we finally done with this CRT?
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Yeah, okay. Closing.
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