UPGRADE ATTACK POTENCY 4A (GENSHIN IMPACT)

[Furina003]

Bump. I've revised it, so please give your opinion on this

 

[JohnHendrix212]

If you can prove those creation feats are legit, which seems pretty bogus to me, they wouldn't scale to their actual stats at all.

At best, you'd have "their actual rating, 4-A with Creation"

These characters has never displayed feats on par with their creation at all, which speaks of how much the dicrepancy is between their actual AP and creation feats ( if they're legit).

 

[Furina003]

If you can prove those creation feats are legit, which seems pretty bogus to me, they wouldn't scale to their actual stats at all.

At best, you'd have "their actual rating, 4-A with Creation"

These characters has never displayed feats on par with their creation at all, which speaks of how much the dicrepancy is between their actual AP and creation feats ( if they're legit).

I've already explained it, that space really exists, and it's something real.

I have shown the room in the video

 

[Woomica]

It not Reality warping. Because alice create imaginarium theater form the nothingness. Not warp the reality

well here it says that one of possible uses of reality warping is;

• Changing a map rewrites the landscape

Basically what you said she writes something and it happens it is similar to rewriting a landscape

 

[Furina003]

well here it says that one of possible uses of reality warping is;

• Changing a map rewrites the landscape

Basically what you said she writes something and it happens it is similar to rewriting a landscape

No, she make it from nothingness. Alice makes the book written by M come true. therefore she asked M for permission to create that world.

 

[Woomica]

No, she make it from nothingness. Alice makes the book written by M come true. therefore she asked M for permission to create that world.

writing something to come from nothingness is actual case of RW

 

[Furina003]

writing something to come from nothingness is actual case of RW

rw changes reality, while what Alice does is create a space that contains the simulanka world, she controls the simulanka because she is the creator, the same goes for the imaginarium theater

 

[AigerTheKing]

If you can prove those creation feats are legit, which seems pretty bogus to me, they wouldn't scale to their actual stats at all.

At best, you'd have "their actual rating, 4-A with Creation"

These characters has never displayed feats on par with their creation at all, which speaks of how much the dicrepancy is between their actual AP and creation feats ( if they're legit).

It would scale to all stats because the feat was made via a power that upscale from a UES.

Celestial bodies that are all fake mind you

So yea hard disagree with everything here

Yeah, "true fantasy" def sounds fake

Agree with the 4-A rating

 

[Furina003]

writing something to come from nothingness is actual case of RW

oh yeah, I forgot, reality warping can be achieved with creation, and creations that meet the standards can get potential attacks.

so this doesn't interfere with the scaling. but honestly, I don't see any distorted reality there

 

[ZENZUYA]

well here it says that one of possible uses of reality warping is;

• Changing a map rewrites the landscape

Basically what you said she writes something and it happens it is similar to rewriting a landscape

There is no such thing reality warping in that feats

The whole map is currently a realm like human realm but in another dimension

Even the process of it is similar to how Phanes made the human realm.

 

[Woomica]

There is no such thing reality warping in that feats

The whole map is currently a realm like human realm but in another dimension

Even the process of it is similar to how Phanes made the human realm.

His premise is that they created space by writing book and it appeared which is a clear RW
What you said is pocket reality manipulation which is once again required to have UES to scale

 

[JohnHendrix212]

It would scale to all stats because the feat was made via a power that upscale from a UES.

Yeah, no it wouldn't.

As I said, these characters have never displayed feats on par with the suggested creation feats here. We've had Archons fighting with full power and unhindered. Raiden Ei's feat of "drying out the oceans" wasn't even a thing and was proven to be a mistranslation. We have Morax fighting his dragon and was never stated to have this level of power. You have absolutely no proof this creation feat gives them 4-A AP or Durability for instance, considering they've been hurt by far weaker attacks, and their output are canonically far weaker than what's being suggested here. This jump is more than hundreds of trillions to quintillions of times their normal lore capabilities, and should be treated with more scrutiny just like any other verse.

You'd need to show this same power being used offensively as well.

This is all assuming that all creation feats being pushed by the OP is legit.

 

[Furina003]

The war of the archons is never visualized, but it is often mentioned, as Apep describes the war between dragons and usurpers that almost destroyed the world.

and several powers that have been mentioned, such as the thunderbird which is capable of shaking the earth's core, the movement of the azdaha which is capable of shaking the earth,
The 5 sinners described by Dain have the power to destroy the world or Narzizencreus who almost created a new universe, the Decenders who have the power to change, create and destroy the world.

I think 4a achievement is something normal for a high god in genshin class.
Even an adeptus class is able to create a pocket dimension that has the sun in it.

and even in many fictions where other characters have planet-level attack potential, fighting doesn't result in the planet being destroyed.

 

[Giannysmag]

The war of the archons is never visualized, but it is often mentioned, as Apep describes the war between dragons and usurpers that almost destroyed the world.

Apep was referring to the war between the Sovereigns and THE PRIMORDIAL ONE THE PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS, not the Archon War

and several powers that have been mentioned, such as the thunderbird which is capable of shaking the earth's core, the movement of the azdaha which is capable of shaking the earth,

Tier 6 feats

The 5 sinners described by Dain have the power to destroy the world

The sinners even pre-abyssal world destroying power would have been beyond Archon level (They where the six greats of Khanreah while Capitano was just a commander and in a massively weakened state he could fight an Archon) so they are kind of in a league of their own right now

or Narzizencreus who almost created a new universe

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, the Decenders who have the power to change, create and destroy the world.

As far as I remember the Descenders are only stated to have the will to shape the world, which is very different from having the power to shape the world

 

[Giannysmag]

Yeah, "true fantasy" def sounds fake

I was talking about the fake sky but go off

 

[Woomica]

The war of the archons is never visualized, but it is often mentioned, as Apep describes the war between dragons and usurpers that almost destroyed the world.

Combined destruction of everyone so not scaleable

and several powers that have been mentioned, such as the thunderbird which is capable of shaking the earth's core, the movement of the azdaha which is capable of shaking the earth,

Low 6-B at most you have a common ref calc

The 5 sinners described by Dain have the power to destroy the world or Narzizencreus who almost created a new universe, the Decenders who have the power to change, create and destroy the world.

Flowery language and needs more context

I think 4a achievement is something normal for a high god in genshin class.
Even an adeptus class is able to create a pocket dimension that has the sun in it.

Too inconsistent and barely fits criteria for ap

and even in many fictions where other characters have planet-level attack potential, fighting doesn't result in the planet being destroy

 

[Woomica]

And for fighting not destroying planet
DC not being equal to ap doesnt mean that you can freely scale anyone high witjout actually consistent feats of that tier

 

[Giannysmag]

And for fighting not destroying planet
DC not being equal to ap doesnt mean that you can freely scale anyone high witjout actually consistent feats of that tier

Most videogame verses could learn from this statement

 

[Furina003]

Apep was referring to the war between the Sovereigns and THE PRIMORDIAL ONE THE PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS, not the Archon War

Tier 6 feats

The sinners even pre-abyssal world destroying power would have been beyond Archon level (They where the six greats of Khanreah while Capitano was just a commander and in a massively weakened state he could fight an Archon) so they are kind of in a league of their own right now

Scan

As far as I remember the Descenders are only stated to have the will to shape the world, which is very different from having the power to shape the world

Yes, what I mean here is to explain that what they get is the potential for attacks resulting from the energy created, This is where UES comes in, Hexenzirkle has been proven to be able to create a space with a starry sky which will definitely scale their attack potential. From what I understand from your statement, you seem to think of people as having an attack potential of 5b, for example. each attack must be visually proven to be capable of destroying a planet, even though they only showed once for this achievement.

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As far as I remember the Descenders are only stated to have the will to shape the world, which is very different from having the power to shape the world

you can look here and here

 

[Furina003]

And for fighting not destroying planet
DC not being equal to ap doesnt mean that you can freely scale anyone high witjout actually consistent feats of that tier

yeah dc is not the same as ap. That's why the feat creation from Hexenzirkle can increase AP but not their DC

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

outlier, don't quote me

 

[Furina003]

outlier, don't quote me

You argue but I can't respond, but its okay

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

You argue but I can't respond, but its okay

you quoted me, now I will have to die

 

[Woomica]

I think calling staff to evaluate this is better as further arguing will make it harder for them to decide

 

[Furina003]

I think calling staff to evaluate this is better as further arguing will make it harder for them to decide

I agree for this

 

[Voidnether]

I thought I said something along the line that this would just be UES abusing at most (if UES is even accepted that is, because I doubt it when vision holders most of the time are still struggling against elite bosses lmao)

This is way worse than scaling god tiers to 4-A due to people like hexenzirkel being able to create a 4-A structure (in which, this is still wrong and logically would just be a headcanon since it was never stated the god tiers are above hexenzirkel) because it assumes normal vision holders are on the same level as the god tiers statistically despite archons being massively superior to them

We need a better scaling at this point, 4-A isn't the problem. The scaling IS the main problem here

 

[Furina003]

I thought I said something along the line that this would just be UES abusing at most (if UES is even accepted that is, because I doubt it when vision holders most of the time are still struggling against elite bosses lmao)

This is way worse than scaling god tiers to 4-A due to people like hexenzirkel being able to create a 4-A structure (in which, this is still wrong and logically would just be a headcanon since it was never stated the god tiers are above hexenzirkel) because it assumes normal vision holders are on the same level as the god tiers statistically despite archons being massively superior to them

We need a better scaling at this point, 4-A isn't the problem. The scaling IS the main problem here

everything has been explained, you just have to read it again.

UES is useful for increasing the statistics of an individual, not increasing all individuals. Scaling another character still uses the usual method.

That doesn't mean one character gets level 4a, all characters will get level 4a.

now I just need to wait for a response from the staff

 

[Smashtwig]

I'll be following

 

[Puppet43]

Puppet has already trancended and through the dark twisted machinations of his mind has spurred forth 2-C Nahida

Between heaven and earth i am the honored one

 

[Puppet43]

Why do i have a feeling that a certain Durin glazer had a role here

Nah, i didnt do sh

 

[Puppet43]

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Is some thingy about new cosmos, but giving that Narrz talks in flowery language i wont believe that buddy

 

[ZENZUYA]

His premise is that they created space by writing book and it appeared which is a clear RW
What you said is pocket reality manipulation which is once again required to have UES to scale

Then you are gonna say the whole teyvat is pocket reality

Well this is why i hate our scaling standarts

Why did we just use only ues in hoyoverse rn?

Genshin remainly only got buffed in cosmology in this method

Beside of that like how elemental created and others are unknown

 

[Woomica]

Then you are gonna say the whole teyvat is pocket reality

Well this is why i hate our scaling standarts

because you cant get an clearly inconsistent and questionable feats accepted? interesting

Why did we just use only ues in hoyoverse rn?

what do you mean by this?

Genshin remainly only got buffed in cosmology in this method

in terms of what? i dont see anything here relating to cosmology

Beside of that like how elemental created and others are unknown

please elaborate this

 

[Furina003]

can anyone help me contact staff to evaluate this?

 

[Voidnether]

everything has been explained, you just have to read it again.

UES is useful for increasing the statistics of an individual, not increasing all individuals. Scaling another character still uses the usual method.

That doesn't mean one character gets level 4a, all characters will get level 4a.

now I just need to wait for a response from the staff

That's the entire problem, scaling the statistics of vision holders solely based on UES and making them on the same level as the archons are the problem when you need atleast 100 visions to shake off an archon's willpower and be equal to them..

What is this, if it's not UES abusing technically?

 

[Furina003]

That's the entire problem, scaling the statistics of vision holders solely based on UES and making them on the same level as the archons are the problem when you need atleast 100 visions to shake off an archon's willpower and be equal to them..

What is this, if it's not UES abusing technically?

I have explained that UES is not like that, UES is the energy used as a whole by the characters in the verse. But that doesn't mean one is proven to be able to get tier 4A for scaling all characters. Scaling must still be done through credible scaling. For example, archon gets 4a instead of allogenes getting 4a, allogenes is still below the archon tier, unless the allogenes gets tier 4a then the archon will also get tier 4a because the archon's energy is much greater than allogenes, so understand this difference.

This ues is just to prove that the characters use the same energy to get their attack potential and durability because they use the same energy.

 

[Voidnether]

I have explained that UES is not like that, UES is the energy used as a whole by the characters in the verse. But that doesn't mean one is proven to be able to get tier 4A for scaling all characters. Scaling must still be done through credible scaling. For example, archon gets 4a instead of allogenes getting 4a, allogenes is still below the archon tier, unless the allogenes gets tier 4a then the archon will also get tier 4a because the archon's energy is much greater than allogenes, so understand this difference.

This ues is just to prove that the characters use the same energy to get their attack potential and durability because they use the same energy.

Then what do you mean by all characters getting 4-A...

 

[Furina003]

Then what do you mean by all characters getting 4-A...

I specialize it in the benefits of high level god ranking in Genshin

 

[Shey]

Afaik all the Genshin creation feats and reality stuff done by the Archons and below aren't ever done in the real word and are instead within Pocket Realms of Fantasy and Imagination I don't know how this type of cases are treated but I don't think those would be comparable to like concrete creation feats that are imposed upon the verses reality.
Also I don't think Light sources are evidences of High 4-C Star Level or whatever, cause the Sun thingy in Adeptal Realms can easily be akin to the Dainichi Mikoshi in Enkanomiya and not necessarily an Actual Star

The sinners even pre-abyssal world destroying power would have been beyond Archon level (They where the six greats of Khanreah while Capitano was just a commander and in a massively weakened state he could fight an Archon) so they are kind of in a league of their own right now

Coughs Glaze Coughs

 

[Furina003]

Afaik all the Genshin creation feats and reality stuff done by the Archons and below aren't ever done in the real word and are instead within Pocket Realms of Fantasy and Imagination I don't know how this type of cases are treated but I don't think those would be comparable to like concrete creation feats that are imposed upon the verses reality.
Also I don't think Light sources are evidences of High 4-C Star Level or whatever, cause the Sun thingy in Adeptal Realms can easily be akin to the Dainichi Mikoshi in Enkanomiya and not necessarily an Actual Star



Coughs Glaze Coughs

That has explained that what is in nature is something real, and you still think it is just imagination, now how can humans walk and interact with something that is only imagination? please think.

Alice firmly stated that she explored the world for real, which means the world is real/physical.

You are here as if to say that people who are able to create/destroy planets don't get planet level just because they have never done it before.