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^The Canon page doesn't exactly support you here, and if it does, specify where on the page do these "standards" exist. Because I certainly don't see them.
You kinda dodged this little question here Ion.
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^The Canon page doesn't exactly support you here, and if it does, specify where on the page do these "standards" exist. Because I certainly don't see them.
The answer is as the same I already said before. And you still haven't proved Pokémon being a magical outlier in terms of canon, so it's not like it matters until that happens.You kinda dodged this little question here Ion.
First of all, stop with this whataboutism Yuri. It's not an argument.It's just common logic tbf. If following the big lines of the plot was enough, half of the DB games would be canon.
Case by Case basis and different context exist. So yes, there are differing cases.There's no special case, and shouldn't be.
And since when was this a thing for DB?We consider them canon because they are said to be so or shown to be, not because of "just" Delta episode.
So DB is actually not too bad of an example.
You know what I meant here. Canon isn't a 1 to 1 thing in fiction, every verse treats their canon different from each other is my point. Different context and circumstances come.Just saying there are without much more doesn't help tho.
For a verse that, again, has the general practice of including different canons in its source material, that doesn't and shouldn't apply. So sorry, but I disagree.It never magically loosened the realm of canon. A mere spin-off following some big lines isn't enough to be canon.
You seem to be missing my point. Does Dragon Ball actually treat spin-off canon as any kind of alternate timeline in any way?Patrolman Jaco and the likes.
don't second stages have the high 7-C feats that were well made and evaluated? Also we could probably find some good stuff for first stages. Fot 3rd stages i wish we can still find some good 7-A feat. We need to search. most end up being outliered like the thunder animation calc and the sawk splitting an ocean once which seemed good but got dismissed.We need to find something in the Pokedex or such to rate second stages Pokémon, after that we have pretty much all that is needed to update the non-legendaries.
(I'm not too comfortable with using Piplup's whirlpool feat from the anime)
9-A for the babies (after the meteor feat, even discarding the landing) , 8-B for some first stages (I believe some debate can be made about it, but many others still have boulder shattering statements), something for the second stages and 7-B for the third ones (after Dragonair nuking Vermillion City and some more statements).
Keep in mind that the following Pokémon and their lines are considered to be a step above the others in their same evolutionary league in terms of strength, and this was done even before but not totally applied: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamance, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, Goodra, Kommo-O, Dragapult
There's Pupitar toppling a mountain, but I think it only scales to pseudo-legendary second stagesdon't second stages have the high 7-C feats that were well made and evaluated?
Psychic is just an special attack as any other, let it be a thunderbolt or a flamethrower. The matter at hand it's that the calc isn't accepted.It still is telekinesis, which normally wouldn't scale to neither to general ap (only to the telekinesis itself) nor to others.
Happiny's physicals scales to Togepi's special attacks in this episode.I know, but no one of them would scale to anyone's durability, just to the user ap and those comparable to it, and only in relation to heat, electricity, cold and psychic force.
They just were bitter at each other.I am pretty sure that the piplup way later was only comparable to ash's oshawatt
Those things happen in different chronological points. And Dawn's Piplup has a good record of fighting against fully-evolved Pokémon, even one-shorting them within BW itself.who at full power couldn't beat third stages if i remember correctly
In fairness, TK can scale to AP here. I mean, Tatsumaki can testify to that herself.It still is telekinesis, which normally wouldn't scale to neither to general ap (only to the telekinesis itself) nor to others.
Tl;dr from the op:What needs to be changed?