Update Arceus to Tier 2-A: Multiverse level+

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That's kinda hard to judge; if it's do to having the most powerscaling chain, I can see why. But there are plenty of verses that describe the multiverse as expanding infinitely; and some have it expand faster than others. Mario's multiverse for instance has a multiverse that expands every time an individual dreams. And even the universes born from each and every dream have people having dreams that create other universes as well. And that's not counting the fact that even insects in the Mario Multiverse as well as the people in the afterlife also have dreams. Even better yet was animate objects, and Color Splash also apparently revealed even atoms and molecules are sentient life in the Mario multiverse.

 

[Zeifyl]

That's kinda hard to judge; if it's do to having the most powerscaling chain, I can see why. But there are plenty of verses that describe the multiverse as expanding infinitely; and some have it expand faster than others. Mario's multiverse for instance has a multiverse that expands every time an individual dreams. And even the universes born from each and every dream have people having dreams that create other universes as well. And that's not counting the fact that even insects in the Mario Universe have dreams and that people in the afterlife also have dreams.

Inanimate objects like hills. You forgot those. Also what's the trigger in Pokemon?

 

[Google_is_Good]

I think the trigger is every time a pokemon game is produced in the real world.

 

[Zeifyl]

I think there must be other triggers too, as each game is its very own multiverse, with its own triggers.

But the only other trigger I can think of is "Palkia exists"

 

[InfiniteBlack123]

I dont know Fate universe got 2A accepted even though things like Quantum Time locks exist. Idk how it scales ccc to fgo. Then lets fgo get 2A scaling.


DBX and Heros should both be 2A, but feel like highest 2B tier isn't really that bad. Considering how many 2A exists.

 

[Ionliosite]

Heroes shouldn't be 2-A at all, there's nothing implying 2-A there.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Im not agreeing or disagreeing with anything here, but I am here to reiterate just one point that was made above:

Because you can't reach infinity by stacking finite numbers?

I mean... If a universe exists in one mirror, and the mirrors in that universe have new ones which exist etc. Then thats not infinitely expanding or creating a new universe apon another. They all exist at once with literally no end or finite limit to them. That sounds like an infinite chain which goes through different universes to me.
Unless maybe you argue the chain/web ends somewhere.

Read's point here, either way you look at it, is a good point to discuss about.

Reflection Cave's universes are not something like an increasing chain of newly created universes. For every mirror there is in Reflection Cave, it lead's to another universe with it's own already existing reflection cave that has mirrors to lead to other universes with their own reflection caves and so on. The reflection caves that connect their mirrors to other universes with their own reflection caves simuntaneously exist at the same time. They would have to in order for them to be connected.

If Reflection Cave operated on a kind of "expansion chain" like some suggested, then not every mirror in a cave would be connected to a speific universe. Which is obviously wrong.

 

[Tyri456]

not infinite =/= 2A tho so it's just 2B

 

[Zeifyl]

Because you can't reach infinity by stacking finite numbers?

Actually, you can. If you add an infinite array of finite numbers together, you get infinity.

That said, this is still just very very high end 2-B.

 

[KLOL506]

I remember Kep classifying Arceus as Low 1-C in another thread so kek

 

[Kepekley23]

The Original Spirit, technically.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

The Original Spirit, technically.

key when

 

[Kepekley23]

As I said, since I currently have some more important backlog to take care of, I will make that CRT later, though probably sooner than I originally imagined.

 

[Ionliosite]

key when

We're discussing that: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3752923

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Bump.

 

[Ionliosite]

Why did you bump this?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

If there is nothing left someone should close this.

Btw even if Arceus ever got upgraded to 2A DBH high ends will still have higher AP

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will close this then.