Universe level Serapis?

[InfiniteSped]

Serapis' justification for Low 2-C is that he "Can control the past, present and future".

Is that it? That does not sound like near enough justification to give him a Low 2-C rating, more like just good time manipulation or smth. I don't really remember anything that'd give him that kind of rating from the book, although it's been a while.

Is there any more context to this?

 

[Zaratthustra]

This one seems a like a problem.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm uncertain why was he given Low 2-C in the first place too.

 

[InfiniteSped]

I'm uncertain why was he given Low 2-C in the first place too.

Well, looking at the edit history, it seems like it was Low 2-C from the start, then Ant removed it, then you added it back with the current justification back in 2017. The "summary" of the edit says that "we have talked about this before".

Do you recall any discussion about that?

 

[RegisNex1232]

I don't think it was actually discussed before. Seems like an easy thing to remove since there's no supporting feats.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Um sorry I don't remember a discussion about this. Let me try to find if there's a CRT before.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

All I remember is Seralis making it impossible for him to be defeated by manipulating the future... but he doesn't even seems to have precog, so destroying the staff is all that's needed.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Yeah, I skimming through the book real quick, there doesn't seem to be any universal statements. Just him saying that he'll rule the universe, but even Typhon said that, so . . .

He should prob be downgraded to scale to the Olympians. Chaos also scales to him, so his explanation should prob be changed to something like "created the entire universe" or smth.

 

[InfiniteSped]

So, is it fine for me to downgrade him just above Zeus?

 

[Antvasima]

This suggestion seems to make sense to me as well.

 

[InfiniteSped]

So, I'll just change him to High 4-C, scaling from Zeus, if there isn't a problem.

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Just remember to update the tier category at the bottom of the page when you perform the edit.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm late but I'm fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks for the input.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Gonna change his profile then.

Chaos (Riordan) will need a new justification too.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Isn't Chaos (Riordan) literally the primodial void that the universe emerged from in pretty much all the riordanverse mythologyies? (Called "Chaos" in the Greko-Roman mythology, "The Sea of Chaos" in Egyptian mythology, and "Ginnungagap" in Norse mythology)

 

[InfiniteSped]

I think so.

Considering it seems like the Duat has other universes inside of it, I think he could possibly qualify for 2-C or 2-B. But for now a "Created the universe" kinda explanation should work.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Eh, the duat seems is layers. Like, one layer deep (with out world being the top) and everything anyone does is perfectly perceivable (as long as you can see past the mist anyways) while the bottom is where aphophis and the millions of dead scarabei were, where stuff like godly avatars have actual flesh.

I definitly disagree with each layer being a full reality. It seems more like gradually going from one world to the other, but then the duat still shares the same time as earth so they aren't alternate space-times.

So yeah, doubt that.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What about the Nine worlds? IIRC, I think they were descirbed as each being a dimension of its own, and it could only be accessed with magic or some portals (such as in Valhalla maybe, where the entrance is from Boston, but can acess all of the nine worlds)

 

[InfiniteSped]

They mention other realities that are basically the same as the surface, iirc. Like when they invade that Russian museum, they talk about how they could still be inside the Duat, in some copy-world thing. Or when Apophis was dragging them into the Duat and they were fighting different copies of him at the same time.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Also, In one of the books of the Percy Jackson and Kane Chronicles crossover, it was mentioned that the mist is only the upper-most layer of the duat

 

[Antvasima]

Is there anything left to do here, or should I close this thread?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Just change Chao's justification, and prob the verse page too, since it mentions Serapis' Low 2-C rating.

For Chaos, I think a simple "created the universe" could do.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to do so.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I have edited the justification. Should this be closed then?

 

[RegisNex1232]

Yes.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They mention other realities that are basically the same as the surface, iirc. Like when they invade that Russian museum, they talk about how they could still be inside the Duat, in some copy-world thing. Or when Apophis was dragging them into the Duat and they were fighting different copies of him at the same time.

Yes, hence the whole layers thing. The first layers are like the real world, while the deepest ones are where Aphophis is and where you get duat sickness.

Regardless, they are not separate space-time, so it's still Low 2-C.

 

[Antvasima]

So should I close this or is there still discussion to be had here?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Should be fine to close, yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.