- 8,082
- 1,540
I planned to upgrade the Universal Abstracts to High 1-B. While I am doing this, please try to keep an open mind and actually debate this thoroughly.... Not state it's wank without explicit evidence besids just statements...
I've asked people to review my blogs many times... But no one has done so ... So this would be the best way to show off what I've been trying to say for a long time.
Celestials and Franklin
Franklin was implied to be superior to Tiamut, who was a threat to all creation with his powers according to Asheema... Whose traveled to High 1-B Places (Edge of Subspace / Crossroads) so it should scale back to that
Asheena scared Man-Thing with her powers, who at the time was Ka'dmon (As both Ted and Ellen are within the Nexus of All Realities) , because this takes place prior to Spider-Man 1999 (Where Scrier shows up and then he returns to being Man-Thing) who was previously unaffected by the powers that affected all levels of creation (In terms of canonicity: Strange Tales ---> Heroes Reborn: The Return ---> Spider-Man 1999 ---> Daydreamers) .
Stated even in the current comics that the Multiverse was created by he Celestials
Not to mention Franklin was stated to be a potential threat to the Omniverse/Multiverse w/ Reality Warping quite a few times:
Proof that the Celestials have fought on Every Level of Existence before in some form of canon
Merlin and Roma
Roma clearly gains power from the Otherworld + Starlight Citadel
Which is very clearly at a High 1-B level
Roma (along with Merlyn) even fights on par with Omni-God Jamie, and even admits in a rather scared fashion they are awakened, implying they are considerable threats to his plan power wise... Which he was conencting to the Omniverse through the Tower Citadel, and was acting clearly on a High 1-B level... Which means both Roma & Merlyn are consistently established on that level. Remember this is impressive because Jamie has feats of the Omniverse variety by his lonesome, yet is amped... And still fears Roma and Merlyn's power
Yet refers to the Celestials as "All-Powerful" when even Roma's Father wasn't or anyone she's ever met or fought against.
This would include both Energy Matrix Empowered Merlyn , who created Otherworld... And Necrom, who had a portion of the Phoenix Force & was seen as a threat to a Energy Matrix empowered Merlyn... When he's merely a facet of the Universal Phoenix Force.
And the likes of Megan & Captain Britain fused with the Energy Matrix , who could harm said Necrom when he had the full Energy Matrix + Has 2 High 1-B feat of their own essentially back to back .
The Phoenix Force Universal Avatar
The Universal Avatar of the Phoenix Force was the one to perform a High 1-B Power Up from Captain Britain... Not some Multiversal version.... It explicitly states in the scan that a Avatar of the PF was used\ :
Galactus and Scrier Galactus , Scrier , and Other's battle (Implying all of them are comparable) was going to destroy All of Creation .
Cosmic Cubes
Cosmic Cubes have been shown to wield "Omni-Dimensional" capabilities prior to this:
The Cosmic Cubes could destroy Infinite-Dimensions, in a set of comics where both he and Kubik always referred to Infinite-Dimensions as "Higher-Dimensional"...
Mephisto was compared to the power of a Cosmic Cube when within Hell, and Kubik described the Lords of Hell (SHuman, Mephisto) as a grave threat to himself prior to this... proving it wasn't just a coincidence... And no the Skyfathers wouldn't scale to this.
Shaper of Worlds were described to be, along with Uatu (which would likely be a outlier) as "transfinite levels of Existence"
Crossroads of Infinity
The Ultimate Nullifier was going to destroy everything on Annihulus' Side (Which was the Negative Zone):
In the same issue, views FR as a far greater threat than the UN mentioned above, which was used on the Mad Celestials
Strange Tales Dr.Strange (which WoG explicitly stated he intended to portray Strange when he had Classic Levels of Power) holding back all levels of infinity within the Multiverse from collapsing:
Also remember that Dr.Strange thought the Counter-Earth reasoning before was why the Mutliverse and it's levels were collapsing and said Crack destroyed the Nexus of All Realities , hinting that the Celestials + Franklin work on this level of power (Counter-Earth... Not the Mad Celestials... Who are far stronger than Asheema and the Celestials seen there . The scan also is before the whole ' I have to work on all levels of reality scan too... Hinting that the Nexus embodies all levels of reality as well as universes)
I've asked people to review my blogs many times... But no one has done so ... So this would be the best way to show off what I've been trying to say for a long time.
Celestials and Franklin
Franklin was implied to be superior to Tiamut, who was a threat to all creation with his powers according to Asheema... Whose traveled to High 1-B Places (Edge of Subspace / Crossroads) so it should scale back to that
Asheena scared Man-Thing with her powers, who at the time was Ka'dmon (As both Ted and Ellen are within the Nexus of All Realities) , because this takes place prior to Spider-Man 1999 (Where Scrier shows up and then he returns to being Man-Thing) who was previously unaffected by the powers that affected all levels of creation (In terms of canonicity: Strange Tales ---> Heroes Reborn: The Return ---> Spider-Man 1999 ---> Daydreamers) .
Stated even in the current comics that the Multiverse was created by he Celestials
Not to mention Franklin was stated to be a potential threat to the Omniverse/Multiverse w/ Reality Warping quite a few times:
Proof that the Celestials have fought on Every Level of Existence before in some form of canon
Merlin and Roma
Roma clearly gains power from the Otherworld + Starlight Citadel
Which is very clearly at a High 1-B level
Roma (along with Merlyn) even fights on par with Omni-God Jamie, and even admits in a rather scared fashion they are awakened, implying they are considerable threats to his plan power wise... Which he was conencting to the Omniverse through the Tower Citadel, and was acting clearly on a High 1-B level... Which means both Roma & Merlyn are consistently established on that level. Remember this is impressive because Jamie has feats of the Omniverse variety by his lonesome, yet is amped... And still fears Roma and Merlyn's power
Yet refers to the Celestials as "All-Powerful" when even Roma's Father wasn't or anyone she's ever met or fought against.
This would include both Energy Matrix Empowered Merlyn , who created Otherworld... And Necrom, who had a portion of the Phoenix Force & was seen as a threat to a Energy Matrix empowered Merlyn... When he's merely a facet of the Universal Phoenix Force.
And the likes of Megan & Captain Britain fused with the Energy Matrix , who could harm said Necrom when he had the full Energy Matrix + Has 2 High 1-B feat of their own essentially back to back .
The Phoenix Force Universal Avatar
The Universal Avatar of the Phoenix Force was the one to perform a High 1-B Power Up from Captain Britain... Not some Multiversal version.... It explicitly states in the scan that a Avatar of the PF was used\ :
Galactus and Scrier Galactus , Scrier , and Other's battle (Implying all of them are comparable) was going to destroy All of Creation .
- Keep in mind the Chaos King War was clearly on a Infinite-D Level
Cosmic Cubes
Cosmic Cubes have been shown to wield "Omni-Dimensional" capabilities prior to this:
The Cosmic Cubes could destroy Infinite-Dimensions, in a set of comics where both he and Kubik always referred to Infinite-Dimensions as "Higher-Dimensional"...
Mephisto was compared to the power of a Cosmic Cube when within Hell, and Kubik described the Lords of Hell (SHuman, Mephisto) as a grave threat to himself prior to this... proving it wasn't just a coincidence... And no the Skyfathers wouldn't scale to this.
Shaper of Worlds were described to be, along with Uatu (which would likely be a outlier) as "transfinite levels of Existence"
Crossroads of Infinity
- The Edge of Subspace is referred to be the Crossroads of Infinity.
- Galactus was going to destroy the Negative Zone, which was referred to be Subspace & directly stated to be the Crossroads of Infinity (The Universe stuff doesn't contradict it being High 1-B at all because it's junction to every universe + higher-dimension... It isn't just one or the other... It's both).
The Ultimate Nullifier was going to destroy everything on Annihulus' Side (Which was the Negative Zone):
In the same issue, views FR as a far greater threat than the UN mentioned above, which was used on the Mad Celestials
Strange Tales Dr.Strange (which WoG explicitly stated he intended to portray Strange when he had Classic Levels of Power) holding back all levels of infinity within the Multiverse from collapsing:
Also remember that Dr.Strange thought the Counter-Earth reasoning before was why the Mutliverse and it's levels were collapsing and said Crack destroyed the Nexus of All Realities , hinting that the Celestials + Franklin work on this level of power (Counter-Earth... Not the Mad Celestials... Who are far stronger than Asheema and the Celestials seen there . The scan also is before the whole ' I have to work on all levels of reality scan too... Hinting that the Nexus embodies all levels of reality as well as universes)
