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Ungrim Ironfist vs Naruto Uzumaki

Following.

Also, I didn't notice the categories up top over the thread title. You could try adding those to see if it gets any more people here.
 
DaReaperMan said:
reread which keys are being used again and call me then matey
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You said second key which is

Large Mountain level (Stated that he was significantly stronger than he was during Pain’s Assault[15], which should put him above his Sage Mode form and likely his KN6 form. Stated to have control over the Nine-Tails’ power on multiple occasions[16][17][15], and stole a massive amount of Kurama’s chakra, leaving him in an emaciated state[18]), Large Mountain level+ after bonding with Kurama (Became far more powerful than before due to having Kurama’s cooperation. KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke and 100H Sakura were all portrayed as being comparable to each other[19][20][21][22]), Island level with Rasenshuriken (He contributed to a third of the energy output that destroyed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei[23]
 
Island level+ (Far stronger than his Kyūbi Chakra Mode, as he now has access to all of Kurama's unrestricted chakra. He is superior to the Bijū, who can do this, as he managed to casually send five incoming Bijū Bombs flying), Large Island level with Kurama Avatar, up to Small Country level+ with fully charged Bijū Bomb (Without charging up, his regular Bijū Bomb matched the combined, charged, Bijū Bomb of five other Bijū’s. His Charged Bijū Bomb contributed a majority of the energy used to do this much damage), higher with Sage Mode (Sage Mode dramatically empowers one's Ninjutsu and Taijutsu), higher with Majestic Attire: Susano'o (Stronger than his Kurama Avatar as it combined powers with Sasuke's Susano'o)
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I'm assuming you're using this key now?
 
Can one shot 321 Gigatons for Naruto vs stronger than 510 gigatons by merely flapping wings for Ungrim

Naruto can use ranged jutsu that would be enough to damage him, while ungrim only has extended melee range. He might dodge naruto's attacks via instinctive reaction, but it doesn't sound like something he constantly uses passively. Naruto would start to use a big rasenshuriken which could negate his durability that will be hard to dodge with equal speed and cut him on a cellular level, if his other attacks won't do much
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Can one shot 321 Gigatons for Naruto vs stronger than 510 gigatons by merely flapping wings for Ungrim

Naruto can use ranged jutsu that would be enough to damage him, while ungrim only has extended melee range. He might dodge naruto's attacks via instinctive reaction, but it doesn't sound like something he constantly uses passively. Naruto would start to use a big rasenshuriken which could negate his durability that will be hard to dodge with equal speed and cut him on a cellular level, if his other attacks won't do much
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ranged attacks? on someone with Aethyr Manipulation resistance? Cool trick but uh, Ungrim resists pretty much every jutsu that isn't literally something like stat amps or clones
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Its very hard to resist that and not be Low 1-C in durability, what kinda matter manipulation is this?
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It's literally on his profile, just breaking down matter from the sheer amount of BS an Incarnate has in their system, a literal entire wind of magic.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Resisting matter breaking down isn't the same as resisting being pierced on a cellular level
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Technically speaking it's better, also the lore of Chamon has matter manipulation that is pretty much splitting atoms which is better than cellular so
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Ok but what he finna do to giant ass attacks
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Outside of making offensive Chakra attacks besides maybe the Low 6-B Biju Bomb(I'm not sure on this) useless, kinda just do what Slayers do and start fighting him a giant monster. Assuming Naruto doesn't attack him physically without clones first. Ungrim will murder Naruto in the melee if he does that(Not only due to AP but skill), so hopefully Naruto does the smarter thing and tests Ungrim's strength with a clone or three before going in for physical combat
 
DaReaperMan said:
Outside of making offensive Chakra attacks besides maybe the Low 6-B Biju Bomb(I'm not sure on this) useless, kinda just do what Slayers do and start fighting him a giant monster. Assuming Naruto doesn't attack him physically without clones first. Ungrim will murder Naruto in the melee if he does that(Not only due to AP but skill), so hopefully Naruto does the smarter thing and tests Ungrim's strength with a clone or three before going in for physical combat
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That is what Naruto will do in character, and Naruto would just spam clones to attack from multiple sides. What skill feats does he have?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
That is what Naruto will do in character, and Naruto would just spam clones to attack from multiple sides. What skill feats does he have?
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I'll give you a quick summary. Low-tier skill for Warhammer Fantasy consists of people who can literally solo armies somewhat comparable to themselves to the point where it was described as a solid ocean, and not by just picking off the sides either, just f running right into the thick of it hammer in-hand.

And lesser Slayers than Ungrim can beat Bloodthirsters which have Witchsight.

What is Witchsight you might ask? Witchsight is broken as all shit Analytical prediction that allows whoever uses it to literally see the concepts of the opponent's next move and every action they could possibly take. And Slayers ******* kill these things. And these things already stupid upscale from the previous feats.
 
And no that's not the extent of Warhammer Fantasy's skill, it's just a summary and only really touching on the surface
 
DaReaperMan said:
I'll give you a quick summary. Low-tier skill for Warhammer Fantasy consists of people who can literally solo armies somewhat comparable to themselves to the point where it was described as a solid ocean, and not by just picking off the sides either, just f running right into the thick of it hammer in-hand.

And lesser Slayers than Ungrim can beat Bloodthirsters which have Witchsight.

What is Witchsight you might ask? Witchsight is broken as all shit Analytical prediction that allows whoever uses it to literally see the concepts of the opponent's next move and every action they could possibly take. And Slayers ******* kill these things. And these things already stupid upscale from the previous feats.
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How does being "lesser" or "lower tier" mean you're less skilled than someone?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
How does being "lesser" or "lower tier" mean you're less skilled than someone?
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Low-tier of SKILL. Sure there's a wide stat gap between 8-A and High 6-C but that doesn't change the fact that it's pretty much just the bottom of the barrel for Warhammer Fantasy's skill.
 
I want to hear more from Naruto supporters before I actually count votes, just a habit of mine
 
ZoroNotZolo said:
Uh, I've heard Aethyr Manipulation is absolutely cracked. What would Naruto's wincons be?
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Skill, multiple clones that attack from multiple directions to make up for the lack of AP, large energy blasts that are hard to dodge, and he will eventually use a bijuu bomb that would one shot. This is if he manages to pull it off before he loses

Also, healing and regen
 
For Ungrim, he has a comfortable AP advantage which is then pushed to borderline one shotting via his Axe (up to a x6 damage boost with each hit), ironically if Naruto tries to use Kurama Avatar, that only further makes Ungrim completely obliterate him and the avatar in one solid hit as he gains an up to x3 damage boost when attacking any kind of monstrous foe (which would include giant chakra foxes and big toad summons), his damage reduction means he's already going to be taking much less damage than Naruto would have already be doing. His ap also easily overpowers Naruto's regen as while it can heal organ damage and bad bodily damage really well, it explicitly can't heal lost limbs and extreme enough injuries, like an incredibly sharp and heavy axe taking his head or limbs off with a possibly 5-6x AP advantage or chopping him in half or cleaving him nearly down the middle.

His instinctive reactions make it so he can basically instantly block and counterattack a melee attack (and if by the off chance he Is killed and it doesn't destroy his body his instinctive reactions will let him get one last attack in, which is a big problem for Naruto) and melee-based attack reflection means Naruto's melee options are even more abysmal (which is ESPECIALLY problematic since Naruto's kit is mostly melee based jutsu outside of the Rasenshuriken and basic energy blasts (not including the Bijuu bomb). Ungrim of course also resists almost every jutsu that could take him out via durability neg or incap.

As for skill and clone spam, it's really the same thing, low-mid tier characters in Warhammer Fantasy already casually solo armies to a degree that would make Madara blush, and are treated as literal non-factors to named characters who basically treat them like amateurs, this includes ""fodder" who are born with the instinctive knowledge of combat and strategy of over thousands of years of lineage, other characters who train for hundreds if not thousands of years to hone their swordsmanship so that they can kill THOUSANDS by themselves while simultaneously deflecting hundreds of projectiles as they are still fighting in melee, and ofcourse the aforementioned Bloodthirsters who have analytical prediction so fine tuned and amped up that it makes the Sharingan look like someone with cataracts. All of this is WAAY below Ungrim's skill level, who has fought hundreds of thousands off at a time at MINIMUM, with a more consistent number being in the millions. Essentially making the clones not even good at distractions, like a scythe through wheat. Unfortunately this only gets worse with Naruto not bringing anything to the table that Ungrim actually hasn't seen before. Even his massive size in Kurama's avatar isn't anything new.

Couple all of this together with; Ungrim being knowing fully well his strengths and weaknesses and his "Guts" like mentality to get the kill even if it kills him (ala taking hits that normal people would avoid because it leaves the perfect opening) and his strategic mindset (he is an incredibly gifted strategist like Naruto, even if he doesn't want to and he'll know distractions when he sees them. Just like Naruto would be doing, Ungrim would be keeping an eye on him and working out the way to beat Naruto. His limited probability manipulation which will offer him better chances to avoid, block, and attack Naruto (ala attacks missing narrowly, his opponent slipping up, miscasting, losing their footing, misunderstanding something etc etc)


Naruto's biggest advantage is his range and the Bijuu bomb which could one-shot Ungrim if Naruto immediately opens it, there is still the possibility that with Rune of Luck, that the attack MIGHT fail in someway. This isn't a stomp by any stretch because of Bijuu bomb, but otherwise, Ungrim basically confidently takes a victory here 8/10 times.
 
Soma_King said:
For Ungrim, he has a comfortable AP advantage which is then pushed to borderline one shotting via his Axe (up to a x6 damage boost with each hit), ironically if Naruto tries to use Kurama Avatar, that only further makes Ungrim completely obliterate him and the avatar in one solid hit as he gains an up to x3 damage boost when attacking any kind of monstrous foe (which would include giant chakra foxes and big toad summons), his damage reduction means he's already going to be taking much less damage than Naruto would have already be doing. His ap also easily overpowers Naruto's regen as while it can heal organ damage and bad bodily damage really well, it explicitly can't heal lost limbs and extreme enough injuries, like an incredibly sharp and heavy axe taking his head or limbs off with a possibly 5-6x AP advantage or chopping him in half or cleaving him nearly down the middle.

His instinctive reactions make it so he can basically instantly block and counterattack a melee attack (and if by the off chance he Is killed and it doesn't destroy his body his instinctive reactions will let him get one last attack in, which is a big problem for Naruto) and melee-based attack reflection means Naruto's melee options are even more abysmal (which is ESPECIALLY problematic since Naruto's kit is mostly melee based jutsu outside of the Rasenshuriken and basic energy blasts (not including the Bijuu bomb). Ungrim of course also resists almost every jutsu that could take him out via durability neg or incap.

As for skill and clone spam, it's really the same thing, low-mid tier characters in Warhammer Fantasy already casually solo armies to a degree that would make Madara blush, and are treated as literal non-factors to named characters who basically treat them like amateurs, this includes ""fodder" who are born with the instinctive knowledge of combat and strategy of over thousands of years of lineage, other characters who train for hundreds if not thousands of years to hone their swordsmanship so that they can kill THOUSANDS by themselves while simultaneously deflecting hundreds of projectiles as they are still fighting in melee, and ofcourse the aforementioned Bloodthirsters who have analytical prediction so fine tuned and amped up that it makes the Sharingan look like someone with cataracts. All of this is WAAY below Ungrim's skill level, who has fought hundreds of thousands off at a time at MINIMUM, with a more consistent number being in the millions. Essentially making the clones not even good at distractions, like a scythe through wheat. Unfortunately this only gets worse with Naruto not bringing anything to the table that Ungrim actually hasn't seen before. Even his massive size in Kurama's avatar isn't anything new.

Couple all of this together with; Ungrim being knowing fully well his strengths and weaknesses and his "Guts" like mentality to get the kill even if it kills him (ala taking hits that normal people would avoid because it leaves the perfect opening) and his strategic mindset (he is an incredibly gifted strategist like Naruto, even if he doesn't want to and he'll know distractions when he sees them. Just like Naruto would be doing, Ungrim would be keeping an eye on him and working out the way to beat Naruto. His limited probability manipulation which will offer him better chances to avoid, block, and attack Naruto (ala attacks missing narrowly, his opponent slipping up, miscasting, losing their footing, misunderstanding something etc etc)


Naruto's biggest advantage is his range and the Bijuu bomb which could one-shot Ungrim if Naruto immediately opens it, there is still the possibility that with Rune of Luck, that the attack MIGHT fail in someway. This isn't a stomp by any stretch because of Bijuu bomb, but otherwise, Ungrim basically confidently takes a victory here 8/10 times.
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I'm not reading that
 
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