Ungalo vs Misogi Kumagawa. Turning Reality to Fiction against turning fiction to life.

[NoData_Legend]

Well its in line with Nisio Isin's (the author of MB) definition of it.

"Allows him to deny aspects of reality; to make anything 'nothing'"

And he even says, "WITHOUT EXAGERRATION, turn anything into nothing" at one point

 

[Razerboy36]

It'd be nice if someone could ask Araki about character limits, but then we wouldn't have crazy discussions like these.

 

[NoData_Legend]

No because absolute destruction is superior to second hand rule creating

 

[Razerboy36]

But DIO is on a 2-A scale with his reality warping(rule creating), how does it not counter it?

 

[NoData_Legend]

Ok im going to be completely honest I dont even care and to be honest Im not even being serious, but to tell you the truth though im pretty sure nonexistence being an omnipotent power is true

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Can Kuma counter being forced to share the same fate as a character he likes

If no, Ungalo wins gg

If yes, Kuma wins gg

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah, so? DIO can do that too. Dio's actually did that.

Also even if I taje what ya just said at face value, that doesn't allow half the things ya said. It's only allow some good existence erasure and sone unquatifiable resistance to some stuff.

 

[NoData_Legend]

But DIO is on a 2-A scale with his reality warping(rule creating), how does it not counter it?

well going with my previous arguments, omnipotent powers take precedence over any form of reality warping since reality warping alone isnt on the Absolute level like omnipotent powers are.

 

[NoData_Legend]

Ok i started this whole argumetn on the toilet and then continued just because im sitting at the library bored and this whole argument has been a joke, but a lot of what ive said about omnipotent powers is true.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Holy shit.

Kumagawa, is not 2-A, on any scale or sense of the word.

Dio is litterally infinity times infinity above him in scale.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah no, don't make me pull out the I was just pretending to be ******** meme.

Dont try to save face this many posts and two threads later in.

 

[NoData_Legend]

Can Kuma counter being forced to share the same fate as a character he likes
If no, Ungalo wins gg

If yes, Kuma wins gg

Well kumagawa only likes Shounen jump manga and I dont know what characters he likes, if we go by what he says in the anime episode 12 then we can assume he likes the typical shounen main characters who struggle and win in the end. Typical hero type characters. In other words his fate would be to win in that case.

 

[Razerboy36]

What is the highest tier that Misoki has erased with his nonexistence?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Bam, plays the role of Jotaro.

 

[Razerboy36]

unless he picks a main character who dies at some point.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Or simply fails a single battle. Which all do at some point.

 

[NoData_Legend]

Yeah no, don't make me pull out the I was just pretending to be ******** meme.
Dont try to save face this many posts and two threads later in.

Well it started serious with the Ungalo thing then you brought up dio and i started arguing based on that. I stopped being serious after the new thread was created. Kumagawa cant beat HA Dio, he can beat canon Dio, Nonexistence is above any non omnipotent character or any character that doesnt have an omnipotent power. Im not pulling out a card, ifyou look back at the thread you made I explicitly said kumagawa would not win in like the first 3 comments

 

[Razerboy36]

Wait, does Bohemian Rhapsody kill if the character's fate is to die by old age?

 

[NoData_Legend]

unless he picks a main character who dies at some point.

True but considering Kumagawa has died at least 5 times in the manga i dont think that would matter

 

[NoData_Legend]

Or simply fails a single battle. Which all do at some point.

True, but those characters also win in the end dont they?

 

[Razerboy36]

isn't bohemian fate manipulation meaning he can't escape it?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Has he actually died. Or did he regenerate.

Very important.

 

[NoData_Legend]

Wait, does Bohemian Rhapsody kill if the character's fate is to die by old age?

I doubt it

 

[Razerboy36]

And also, his soul is seperated from his body when this occurs. and this was in bold on Ungalo's page There is no possible way to stop this from occuring unless they defeat the character.

 

[NoData_Legend]

Has he actually died. Or did he regenerate.
Very important.

Yes like actually died, the earliest we see him die i think is when He fights Hitoyoshi Zenkichi in the snake pit, it says at the very next chapter that his heart and organs stopped, and that he had died just like zenkichi

 

[Razerboy36]

and Diver Down Anasui could have easily killed the sheep, but his soul was seperated and was unable to fight.

 

[NoData_Legend]

And also, his soul is seperated from his body when this occurs. and this was in bold on Ungalo's page There is no possible way to stop this from occuring unless they defeat the character.

What does "defeat the character" mean though?

 

[Razerboy36]

I actually don't know if you can defeat the character if your destined to lose.

 

[NoData_Legend]

I actually don't know if you can defeat the character if your destined to lose.

Does defeat the character mean defeat your favorite character in a physical battle? If so i dont think theres another shounen jump character that could beat kumagawa other than people from his own verse (outside of shounen jump perhaps but not within it) since we know for a fact kumagawa's favorite magazine is Shounen jump we know he only reads shounen jump (he says so himself)

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Actually yeah, you and your soul are separated.

Ya can't quote fight back, annasui couldn't kill them, he tried. They had to make a new character that had the power to win.

 

[Razerboy36]

Now I'm starting to wonder since Anasui was unable to attack the sheep with his stand..

 

[NoData_Legend]

At what pointis your soul separated?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Hades. There gg. He stomps Kuma.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Before ya know it.

Actually, they didn't even realize at first.

 

[Razerboy36]

As soon as you find the character you like

 

[NoData_Legend]

Can you give me a quick rundown of what Unglangdslgosd's power does and the steps, because i didnt know (or remember ) the whole soul thing

 

[Razerboy36]

Well, its really confusing

 

[NoData_Legend]

Well, its really confusing

i cant tell

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Just read his profile or read the jojo wiki on him.

 

[Razerboy36]

It seperates soul and body while the process is occuring, meaning that the character can be unaware that it is happening( I think, I'm still really damn confused )