Undertale verse is just 2-B, not 2-C

[StrymULTRA]

I've found this blog that gives a certain size about Undertale Multiverse

I'd suggest to

-Remove all the "At least 2-C, likely 2-B" from Chara and Flowey and replace them with just 2-B

-Frisk should be "likely 2-B" as they could still harm and tank Photoshop Flowey even without the SOULs help

Asriel and Annoying Dog are fine as they are now, as they are in "Countless 2-B rating"


Agree: 7 (Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Jamesthetaker, Ercosore, ShockingPsychic, That.one.mofo, Uniasha, Magi Hussie, Camper340)

Neutral: 1 (Elizhaa)

Disagree: 2 (Ricsi-viragosi, Lord JJJ)

 

[Uniasha]

i'd think frisk and chara should be countless 2B as well

since frisk could survive asriel's assault which chara should scale to

 

[StrymULTRA]

i'd think frisk and chara should be countless 2B as well
since frisk could survive asriel's assault which chara should scale to

Chara has less determination than Flowey's, as they couldn't reset even in the Soulless routes

 

[Uniasha]

i'd think frisk and chara should be countless 2B as well
since frisk could survive asriel's assault which chara should scale to

Chara has less determination than Flowey's, as they couldn't reset even in the Soulless routes

hmm...then how did chara oneshot a determination immense frisk in the genocide route into a reset

 

[StrymULTRA]

When Frisk had immense DT in Genocide route in the first place?

 

[Uniasha]

When Frisk had immense DT in Genocide route in the first place?

if frisk wasnt immensely determined he/she wouldn't be able to move the white box into the fight button in the first place which technically wasn't suppose to happen if frisk wasnt determined enough

 

[StrymULTRA]

This is an huge headcanon that it's with immese DT just because of that

 

[Uniasha]

headcannon?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Making an headcanon is a cliaiming a thing that was never stated/implied in the franchise, an example is saying that "Zeno was supressed while destroying Trunks' timeline so it could be 2-B or even 2-A" despite nothing stated/implied that

 

[Uniasha]

Making an headcanon is a cliaiming a thing that was never stated/implied in the franchise, an example is saying that "Zeno was supressed while destroying Trunks' timeline so it could be 2-B or even 2-A" despite nothing stated/implied that

yeah but nothing was stated nor implied when frisk tanked asriel's attacks and saving everyone in the fight

 

[Planck69]

Chara is the only character that destroys the multiverse, I don't see why she wouldn't scale. And in any case, Photoshop Flowey was supposed to get downgraded to Low 2-C ages ago.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It WAS implied, Frisk could instantly ressurect with his will of live, also both Frisk and Asriel had the same determination level, and Asriel's DT was obv much superior to his previous form

 

[Planck69]

yeah but nothing was stated nor implied when frisk tanked asriel's attacks and saving everyone in the fight

What are trying to say here, I don't understand.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Chara is the only character that destroys the multiverse, I don't see why she wouldn't scale. And in any case, Photoshop Flowey was supposed to get downgraded to Low 2-C ages ago.

That thread died, if you want to revive it make a new CRT

 

[Uniasha]

yeah but nothing was stated nor implied when frisk tanked asriel's attacks and saving everyone in the fight

What are trying to say here, I don't understand.

my bad i dont have good grammar

 

[Planck69]

@StrymULTRA

Actually regarding the blog; killing all 104 monsters in every possible way would yield around 2.02824096E31 timelines since you also have to take into account every combination of deaths possible.

 

[Uniasha]

@StrymULTRA
Actually regarding the blog; killing all 104 monsters in every possible way would yield around 2.02824096E31 timelines since you also have to take into account every combination of deaths possible.

anyway what does 'E' mean?

 

[Planck69]

anyway what does 'E' mean?

6E13 would be 6*10^13.

 

[Uniasha]

thats some heavy firepower

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

How do we know Chara destroyed every single Timeline?

 

[Planck69]

How do we know Chara destroyed every single Timeline?

She nukes the game, which takes place after Flowey makes all those RESETs (which creates their own timelines).

 

[Uniasha]

anyway why was annoying dog's type 5 acausality supposed to be removed?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

How do we know she nuked Everything? couldn't the same happened if she destroyed 1 or 2 Timelines?

 

[Planck69]

How do we know she nuked Everything? couldn't the same happened if she destroyed 1 or 2 Timelines?

She pretty blatantly ***** up the game in its entirety. Asriel nukes a timeline in his fight, Photoshop Flowey creates multiple timelines but none of it comes close to what happens after Chara slashes.

 

[Planck69]

anyway why was annoying dog's type 5 acausality supposed to be removed?

Because it isn't Type 5

 

[StrymULTRA]

@StrymULTRA
Actually regarding the blog; killing all 104 monsters in every possible way would yield around 2.02824096E31 timelines since you also have to take into account every combination of deaths possible.

I did, It's like a table where spared/killed are the columns and all the 104 monsters are the rows

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We don't see if Frisk could use his SAVE and LOAD when Asriel Nuked a Timeline, and Omega Flowey creating Timelines isn't that impressive, Base Flowey and Frisk can do it

 

[StrymULTRA]

How do we know she nuked Everything? couldn't the same happened if she destroyed 1 or 2 Timelines?

She destroyed everything of the game leaving just some files

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

She destroyed everything of the game leaving just a file

Thanks! That should probably be in her Profile

 

[Planck69]

If there are 2 monsters then 4 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

If there are 3 monsters then 8 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

If there are 4 monsters then 16 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

If there are 5 monsters then 32 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

If there are 6 monsters then 64 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

If there are 7 monsters then 128 possibilities exist for any or all of them being alive or dead.

....I think it would be higher.

 

[Theuser789]

I guess I agree with this for the moment

 

[StrymULTRA]

From where did you take that logic?

 

[Planck69]

We don't see if Frisk could use his SAVE and LOAD when Asriel Nuked a Timeline, and Omega Flowey creating Timelines isn't that impressive, Base Flowey and Frisk can do it

She tanks it. Yes it isn't impressive, the point is that Chara screwng with the entire game (seeing as she destroys it) is different from the standard way destruction of a timeline is portrayed in the verse.

 

[Planck69]

From where did you take that logic?

With two monsters, either both are dead, A is dead, B is dead or none are dead.

With three monsters, either all three are dead, A is dead, B is dead, C is dead, A and B are dead, A and C are dead, B and C are dead or all are dead. etc.

This is basically taking if Flowey killed the Underground in every possible way.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So is basically making 104^2

 

[Uniasha]

anyway why was annoying dog's type 5 acausality supposed to be removed?

Because it isn't Type 5

so the annoying dog only had type 1?

 

[Uniasha]

So is basically making 104^2

no

 

[StrymULTRA]

It is, considering the various combinations of even the order of killing/sparing them

 

[Planck69]

So is basically making 104^2

Actually, 2^104.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually, 2^104.

Holy crap, this makes sense, gonna change it