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I think this will be the last Undertale CRT I'll make here after a really long series I made from almost 2 years here, as otherwise the verse is pretty much covered from what I can see.
Sans' LS Downgrade
Sorry guys, but after checking a bit, Sans having Class M is completely faulty for a very simple reason.
If we go in the Monster Physiology page, we see this:
AKA take out Class M, and downgrade Sans' Magic to just Class 10.
Ice Cap creating ice
Just this neat 9-A feat (0.081 Tons, which is the strongest 9-A feat of the whole verse, mind you) that is added because of it being on hold-on for over a year. This is all.
Yes, if you do wonder, Magic does indeed scale to physicals, as we literally have this on Monster Physiology page:
So yeah... Magic is indeed comparable to physical AP here.
Flowey's stamina
On his profile his stamina is just...
Stamina: Unknown
Like guys, come on. This is just silly. Thankfully I've got y'all covered. I'll make an explanation based on his keys:
Kid: Unknown (leave it like that, we don't know much about that form, so it's better to avoid assumptions)
SOUL Absorbed: Superhuman (As a monster with the power of a Human SOUL, he should be at least comparable, if not above the likes of Undyne and Asgore)
Flowey: Unknown, likely Superhuman (While little is known about how Flowey fights in his base form, it should be noted that he made multiple journeys through the whole of the Underground, as showcased from the fact that he could obtain all the possible knownledge that is possible to obtain there through the usage of RESETs, thus making him likely comparable to Frisk who also can do the same).
Photoshop Flowey: Superhuman (Immensely superior to any his previous forms. Planned to toy and torture Frisk in the fight against them, going even as far as using SAVE and LOAD in order to kill them over and over without an end)
God of Hyperdeath: Superhuman (As a being with the power of 7 Human SOULs, he should be at least comparable to, if not far above his Photoshop Flowey self)
(Also shouldn't Kid Asriel have at least the same LS as Chara? Would be pretty weird if Chara could just... supplex him without an effort or something when they were kids)
Mettaton's Durability Negation
So we have Mettaton being capable of always cutting in half your HP, and from how the Wiki says it, the HP/armor you have does not matter. Sounds clear-cut Dura neg to me.
Amalgamates downgrades
I forgot about them. Basically, them scaling to their components is super wrong, as Reaper Bird has only 9 ATK, and Snowdrake's Mother is literally with negative statistics, which makes sense, as Amalgamates are a melting, decaying mess of Monsters that cannot control themselves anymore.
What does it mean? That at best we make them only "At most 8-B" due to still ""functioning"" Amalgamates (aka anyone who isn't Snowdrake's Mother) being all in the same ballpark (Memoryhead's 10 ATK and Reaper Bird's 9 ATK)
Also they all should have a durability, Invulnerability isn't a reason to just pretend it does not exist, as Reaper Bird and Snowdrake's Mother do have a DEF stat (plus Undertale makes it clear if a character's durability is unconventional if Frisk can't damage the opponent for reasons unrelated to their durability [Mad Dummy being incoreporeal, thus immune to Frisk's attacks for example]).
What does it mean?
Snowdrake's Mother will still have Unknown speed. She has problem even moving, and her attacks are pretty slow too.
UPDATE: 9-B Downgrade
A new thing that came up is a downgrade to the 9-B characters, as the original calc as the issue of using a PSI which is too high, so I made a calc that ends up being 2.681 Megajoules, which is still 9-B, but 2.5 times lower.
Doesn't affect too much scaling-wise.
Sans' LS Downgrade
Sorry guys, but after checking a bit, Sans having Class M is completely faulty for a very simple reason.
If we go in the Monster Physiology page, we see this:
- SOUL Manipulation: Monsters' magic attacks the SOUL, which is the essence of one's being. Some monsters can also manipulate the SOUL of their opponent though inflicting status effects, such as making it heavier or unable to walk away from a point in the area.
- Telekinesis and Gravity Manipulation (Can use the Blue Attack to add "weight" to the SOUL. Can move Chara's SOUL with a wave of his hand[1])
AKA take out Class M, and downgrade Sans' Magic to just Class 10.
Ice Cap creating ice
Just this neat 9-A feat (0.081 Tons, which is the strongest 9-A feat of the whole verse, mind you) that is added because of it being on hold-on for over a year. This is all.
Yes, if you do wonder, Magic does indeed scale to physicals, as we literally have this on Monster Physiology page:
- Magic, Inorganic Physiology (Type 1) and Danmaku: Monsters' bodies, compared to human ones, do not have much physical matter because of them being made of magic to the same degree humans are made of water, being able to use their magic in various ways like making bullet patterns, which are showcased in most of their fights, with them also being able to control said magic.
So yeah... Magic is indeed comparable to physical AP here.
Flowey's stamina
On his profile his stamina is just...
Stamina: Unknown
Like guys, come on. This is just silly. Thankfully I've got y'all covered. I'll make an explanation based on his keys:
Kid: Unknown (leave it like that, we don't know much about that form, so it's better to avoid assumptions)
SOUL Absorbed: Superhuman (As a monster with the power of a Human SOUL, he should be at least comparable, if not above the likes of Undyne and Asgore)
Flowey: Unknown, likely Superhuman (While little is known about how Flowey fights in his base form, it should be noted that he made multiple journeys through the whole of the Underground, as showcased from the fact that he could obtain all the possible knownledge that is possible to obtain there through the usage of RESETs, thus making him likely comparable to Frisk who also can do the same).
Photoshop Flowey: Superhuman (Immensely superior to any his previous forms. Planned to toy and torture Frisk in the fight against them, going even as far as using SAVE and LOAD in order to kill them over and over without an end)
God of Hyperdeath: Superhuman (As a being with the power of 7 Human SOULs, he should be at least comparable to, if not far above his Photoshop Flowey self)
(Also shouldn't Kid Asriel have at least the same LS as Chara? Would be pretty weird if Chara could just... supplex him without an effort or something when they were kids)
Mettaton's Durability Negation
So we have Mettaton being capable of always cutting in half your HP, and from how the Wiki says it, the HP/armor you have does not matter. Sounds clear-cut Dura neg to me.
Amalgamates downgrades
I forgot about them. Basically, them scaling to their components is super wrong, as Reaper Bird has only 9 ATK, and Snowdrake's Mother is literally with negative statistics, which makes sense, as Amalgamates are a melting, decaying mess of Monsters that cannot control themselves anymore.
What does it mean? That at best we make them only "At most 8-B" due to still ""functioning"" Amalgamates (aka anyone who isn't Snowdrake's Mother) being all in the same ballpark (Memoryhead's 10 ATK and Reaper Bird's 9 ATK)
Also they all should have a durability, Invulnerability isn't a reason to just pretend it does not exist, as Reaper Bird and Snowdrake's Mother do have a DEF stat (plus Undertale makes it clear if a character's durability is unconventional if Frisk can't damage the opponent for reasons unrelated to their durability [Mad Dummy being incoreporeal, thus immune to Frisk's attacks for example]).
What does it mean?
- Reaper Bird: AP: "At most 8-B" (9 ATK)/Dura: "Unknown, at least 8-B" (The thing has literally 9999 DEF, which is the highest DEF stat of the entire game if we exclude Asriel, even above Mettaton's DEF of 255, and even that is enough to take literally no damage from us. As even Reaper Bird is completely immune to our hits [and 9999 is almost 40 times above 255, if we for some reason make those numbers as linear], I do not this durability even fits in 8-B anymore, not going to lie).
- Lemon Bread/Endogeny: "At most 8-B" for both AP and Dura
- Memory Head: Their Dura becomes same as their AP (Memory Head's copy applies to also their DEF)
- Snowdrake's Mother: AP same, Dura also becomes 10-C (their DEF is -5, thus higher than her ATK of -12)
Snowdrake's Mother will still have Unknown speed. She has problem even moving, and her attacks are pretty slow too.
UPDATE: 9-B Downgrade
A new thing that came up is a downgrade to the 9-B characters, as the original calc as the issue of using a PSI which is too high, so I made a calc that ends up being 2.681 Megajoules, which is still 9-B, but 2.5 times lower.
Doesn't affect too much scaling-wise.
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