Undertale - Downgrades are wack

[Therefir]

Shouldn't we use the ablation speeds on the Calculations page for Knight Knight's meteors? Why are we using the Mach 5 value?

2000 m/s should be fine.

By the way, what should we do with Snowdrake's Mother now that her calc is invalid? Bring her back to 10-C? I find hard to believe that a 10-C attack would be able to deal 1 point of damage to Frisk, when they were undamaged by a 9-B explosion.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ISL: (0.8932/(1.3927×10^9))^5×5.693e41 = 0.0000617727418 Joules (Below Average Human)

... the same thing but with overall mass?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

... the same thing but with overall mass?

So, that ver small sun would have a mass of

139270000000 (Sun diameter in cm's)/89.32(Small sun diameter in cm's) = 1989000000000000000000000000000 kg (Sun mass)/X(Small star mass) > X = 1275633517627629633536 kg = 1,275*10^21 Low 6-B... wait what?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Consistent with 7-C Tsunderplane and 6-C Papyrus, let's go

 

[Da3ggman]

So, that ver small sun would have a mass of

139270000000 (Sun diameter in cm's)/89.32(Small sun diameter in cm's) = 1989000000000000000000000000000 kg (Sun mass)/X(Small star mass) > X = 1275633517627629633536 kg = 1,275*10^21 Low 6-B... wait what?

Undertale fans on their way to upgrade Froggit to Country Level:

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Undertale fans on their way to upgrade Froggit to Country Level:

I'm honest, I wasn't expecting this number, is the calculation even right? would be funny as hell if this was usable trough, lol

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Consistent with 7-C Tsunderplane and 6-C Papyrus, let's go

wait, there was calcs of this level?

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

... the same thing but with overall mass?

ISL: (525.32/(1.989×10^30))^5×5.693e41 = 10e-97 J

So, that ver small sun would have a mass of

139270000000 (Sun diameter in cm's)/89.32(Small sun diameter in cm's) = 1989000000000000000000000000000 kg (Sun mass)/X(Small star mass) > X = 1275633517627629633536 kg = 1,275*10^21 Low 6-B... wait what?

This is not how calculations work.

First off, kilos are in increments of 3 dimensions, basic rule of three doesn't work because Ro3 is one dimensional.
(89.32/(139270000000))^3*1989000000000000000000000000000 = 524.69kg

This is consistent with the mean density of the sun, which is 1408kg/m3
0.3731 m3x1408 = 525.32kg
^ Volume of the smaller sun

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ISL: (525.32/(1.989×10^30))^5×5.693e41 = 10e-97 J

This is not how calculations work.

First off, kilos are in increments of 3 dimensions, basic rule of three doesn't work because Ro3 is one dimensional.
(89.32/(139270000000))^3*1989000000000000000000000000000 = 524.69kg

This is consistent with the mean density of the sun, which is 1408kg/m3
0.3731 m3x1408 = 525.32kg
^ Volume of the smaller sun

thanks god, I knew I had done something wrong

 

[ShionAH]

Nvm

 

[Agnaa]

By the way, what should we do with Snowdrake's Mother now that her calc is invalid? Bring her back to 10-C? I find hard to believe that a 10-C attack would be able to deal 1 point of damage to Frisk, when they were undamaged by a 9-B explosion.

Meh, Frisk being damaged by that just seems like typical game mechanic chip damage stuff.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

CGMs votes should absolutely have weight in calc-related CRTs

 

[KingNanaya]

CGMs votes should absolutely have weight in calc-related CRTs

they do in calc group discussions, but I agree. things would be done here so much quicker

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Detailing the changes​

1. Attack Potency changes
We currently scale Papyrus level opponents to Undyne (Gotta change that), so.
The 0.89 Tons feat is rejected, and the 0.47 Tons feat has been changed to 0.074 Tons.

Low Tiers are Unchanged
Mid Tiers, such as Papyrus, Mettaton and Undyne are scaled to EX's feat, which is 0.074 Tons.
High Tiers, such as Asgore, Toriel, Undying upscale massively from the previous value. (Gap too high for 9-A+).
Souls scale to the additive of all 12000+ monsters. Following the accepted blog's metric,
3 * 2400 * 0.074 = 532.8 Tons
532.8+7.68 = 540.48 Tons
Souls scale to 8-A

2. Speed changes
MHS+ is not a thing anymore
Low Tiers are Unchanged
Mid Tiers, such as Papyrus, are scaled to the lowest Supersonic feat (Mach 3.05)
Mid Tiers, such as Tsunderplane are scaled to their own feat (Mach 4.86)
Mid Tiers, and High Tiers, such as Undyne and Asgore, are upscaled from Tsunderplane (Mach 5)
Fastest Characters like Sans are upscaled from Sea Tea Frisk (Mach 10)

Did I forget anything?​

 

[Jason_Courne]

Souls scale to the additive of all 12000+ monsters. Following the accepted blog's metric,
3 * 2400 * 0.074 = 532.8 Tons
532.8+7.68 = 540.48 Tons
Souls scale to 8-A

Photoshop Flowey should probably get Low 7-C cause six souls

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Photoshop Flowey should probably get Low 7-C cause six souls

Omega Flowey is infinitely higher than the combination of 6 souls since 7 souls is 2-B

 

[Psychomaster35]

Photoshop Flowey should probably get Low 7-C cause six souls

I’m pretty sure SOUL power increases exponentially, not linearly. It used to be like that, but it was changed to an Unknown rating because a monster soul + a human soul was viewed as a threat to a human village while 7 human souls could destroy a timeline/multiverse, hence the power of 6 human souls is unknown due to the dimensional jump in power.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

PULL UP, THE RESULTS ARE HERE.​

The frisk height thread was put on hold.
And we have a consensus on MTT's leg.

Due to the contradiction of the 5 legs being far above what Mettaton can yield with other attacks,
we will scale everyone stronger than Mettaton to the 5 legs value,
while everyone comparable or weaker than Mettaton is going to scale to one leg.
​

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Detailing the changes​

1. Attack Potency changes
We currently scale Papyrus level opponents to Undyne (Gotta change that), so.
The 0.89 Tons feat is rejected, and the 0.47 Tons feat has been changed to 0.04476 Tons of TNT for one leg, 0.2238 Tons of TNT for 5 legs.

Low Tiers are Unchanged
Mid Tiers, such as Papyrus, Mettaton are scaled to EX's feat, which is 0.045 Tons.
Mid Tiers, such as Undyne are scaled to all 5 legs, which is 0.224 Tons.
High Tiers, such as Asgore, Toriel, Undying upscale to 8-C (0.25 Tons).
Souls scale to the additive of all 12000+ monsters. Following the accepted blog's metric,
3 * 2400 * 0.074 = 532.8 Tons
532.8+7.68 = 540.48 Tons
Souls scale to 8-A

2. Speed changes
MHS+ is not a thing anymore
Low Tiers are Unchanged
Mid Tiers, such as Papyrus, are scaled to the lowest Supersonic feat (Mach 3.05)
Mid Tiers, such as Tsunderplane are scaled to their own feat (Mach 4.86)
Mid Tiers, and High Tiers, such as Undyne and Asgore, are upscaled from Tsunderplane (Mach 5)
Fastest Characters like Sans are upscaled from Sea Tea Frisk (Mach 10)

Did I forget anything?​

 

[Therefir]

Everything seems in order, also Snowdrake's Mother becomes 10-C and any mention of her needs to be deleted from the other profiles.

 

[QrowBarr]

Undertale becoming baseline 8-C gg

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Undertale becoming baseline 8-C gg

It already was above 8-C, I'm just downgrading it

 

[Therefir]

Undertale becoming baseline 8-C gg

@QrowBarr By the way, profiles like Frisk, Flowey, and Sans will need to be opened so the revision can be applied.

 

[QrowBarr]

Butler already unlocked em but I'll relock the profiles once the changes have been applied

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

I believe we are done​

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Butler already unlocked em but I'll relock the profiles once the changes have been applied

Can you lock the Human SOULs, Chara (Which I asked to be opened for no reason by accident), Frisk, Asriel and Sans' profiles?

 

[Therefir]

Can you lock the Human SOULs, Chara (Which I asked to be opened for no reason by accident), Frisk, Asriel and Sans' profiles?

They are locked already.

 

[QrowBarr]

I've locked Chara's

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

They are locked already.

Sans and Chara weren't, now they are

WE ARE DONE