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Considering that Nine Lives is out of the picture this is a stomp as Eragon can just think Berserker to death, while the latter needs to break trough a shield a tier above his attacks
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Two Warriors: Berserker vs Eragon
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None of Eragons abilities are thought based.
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Unless you can show that his death spells are potent enough to kill Berserker multiple times over and bypass God Hand, then no, this is nowhere near a stomp.
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Eragon can think his spells and such, or even just use magic without relying on the ancient language. It's described as being based off thought, and one of the more common methods of attack in the verse is via telepathy, which is usually a side effect of having magic powers in the verse.Schnee One said:
That being said, I recall Heracles being part of a CRT right now, and his linked feat being under question. Is this VT still allowed under the circumstances?
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Many Eragon Magicians do say the words to not stray their thoughts off in other directions, which could cause trouble if you are trying to visualize what you want to do with the word you use. But it's not really necessary and someone skilled enough can just think to activate them, iirc.
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Just thinking in the Ancient Language is good enough.
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Eragon isn't good enough to simply think the word and use the magic. He needs to concentrate and focus a great deal first if he wants to do it non-verbally, so saying the words is much simpler.
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Please guys, read things correctly:
A simple ward. Natural nullification of God Hand is at work here, and he can stop basically everything at B-rank conceptually (even considering ranks aren't in motion, the description of the spell itself speak for it). This type of magic could never work on him by it. Also, it's not "another way to OS him", it all concerns interna body as mentioned by Oromis.
Also, don't forget that with battle continuation, having a heart stop / destroied is not a problem from him. Lancer himself can move with his heart pierced after all. Subtility just does't work with this guy.
It term of physical martial prowess... All of Eragon's physical prowess are far below Herk. And comparing to Eragon that has to use his magic to it, his are only ... normal.
The only way for Eragon to win would be to canalise enough power from his Eldunaril to deploy a spell at galbatorix level of destruction (A-rank) up to 12 times, and a protection spell to resist him. Considering Divinity has the ability to bypass some defenses, I have some doubts for the last feats.
However, he will be killed ig Nine Lives is thrown. Not by raw power, but because at the first use, the raw speed of the techniques will just kill him in the shot. It's a Godspeed technique we're talking about.
Also, in terme of raw techniques, while Eragon is very good, don't be fooled by berserker's appearance. He is a very technical opponent to face. Not only can he react instatly only to attacks that can damage him, letting him neglect the rest and focusing at offensive (and I mean by that that he CAN react instantly if he is in danger with that), with all his life having to fight as a hero (and basically formed by Chiron before even all that).
While Eragon is outstanding, most of his fighting prowess in the book rely on luck, his superior physical ability (after the ritual at Du Welvenvarden), or fighting against more rudymentary opponents. It is stated that Murtagh is superior than him, and both aren't nearly even at the bottom at the Berserker's experience, that retains enough at his state to impress even Saber (and I don't think I need to compare the King of Knight himself with them in term of raw swordmanship.).
Additionnaly, his Eyes of the mind is a very useful skill against someone that would want to trick him, so... Do not undersestimate the madman
So, basically, the only way for Eragon to win that fight is staying away and striking Berserker with high-grade spells thanks to his Eldunari, before Herk attain him in close-quarter combat. I suspect he could at most take 2 to 3 lives (Medea is magically nearly as dangerous after all, and it is stated she can have this score) thanks to that (Herk moving far higher than him, and considering their movement abilities, without Saphira, Eragon will just be catch quickly as he does not 'run' as fast as he can react'. After...).
Saphira in the fight could be a real asset, here. But if one of the two is killed, the other is simply doomed. At least a fight with some chance.
- Twelve Words of Death: Killing spells, that targets and stops critical parts of the opponent's body (vital arteries or nerves), effectively killing the target. Each of this methods does not use more physical power than lifting a feather. With the death words properly applied, a magician could bring down entire armies. But because they relied on striking the correct body part and used very little actual force, they were extremely easy to block: the simplest ward could stop a death word, with almost no energy cost to the defender.
A simple ward. Natural nullification of God Hand is at work here, and he can stop basically everything at B-rank conceptually (even considering ranks aren't in motion, the description of the spell itself speak for it). This type of magic could never work on him by it. Also, it's not "another way to OS him", it all concerns interna body as mentioned by Oromis.
Also, don't forget that with battle continuation, having a heart stop / destroied is not a problem from him. Lancer himself can move with his heart pierced after all. Subtility just does't work with this guy.
It term of physical martial prowess... All of Eragon's physical prowess are far below Herk. And comparing to Eragon that has to use his magic to it, his are only ... normal.
The only way for Eragon to win would be to canalise enough power from his Eldunaril to deploy a spell at galbatorix level of destruction (A-rank) up to 12 times, and a protection spell to resist him. Considering Divinity has the ability to bypass some defenses, I have some doubts for the last feats.
However, he will be killed ig Nine Lives is thrown. Not by raw power, but because at the first use, the raw speed of the techniques will just kill him in the shot. It's a Godspeed technique we're talking about.
Also, in terme of raw techniques, while Eragon is very good, don't be fooled by berserker's appearance. He is a very technical opponent to face. Not only can he react instatly only to attacks that can damage him, letting him neglect the rest and focusing at offensive (and I mean by that that he CAN react instantly if he is in danger with that), with all his life having to fight as a hero (and basically formed by Chiron before even all that).
While Eragon is outstanding, most of his fighting prowess in the book rely on luck, his superior physical ability (after the ritual at Du Welvenvarden), or fighting against more rudymentary opponents. It is stated that Murtagh is superior than him, and both aren't nearly even at the bottom at the Berserker's experience, that retains enough at his state to impress even Saber (and I don't think I need to compare the King of Knight himself with them in term of raw swordmanship.).
Additionnaly, his Eyes of the mind is a very useful skill against someone that would want to trick him, so... Do not undersestimate the madman
So, basically, the only way for Eragon to win that fight is staying away and striking Berserker with high-grade spells thanks to his Eldunari, before Herk attain him in close-quarter combat. I suspect he could at most take 2 to 3 lives (Medea is magically nearly as dangerous after all, and it is stated she can have this score) thanks to that (Herk moving far higher than him, and considering their movement abilities, without Saphira, Eragon will just be catch quickly as he does not 'run' as fast as he can react'. After...).
Saphira in the fight could be a real asset, here. But if one of the two is killed, the other is simply doomed. At least a fight with some chance.
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Ranks wouldn't be equalised like that though. They're easy to block because they require very little force. Not because they are low rank. As I already said, if you wanted to apply arbitrary ranks to his spells, things like the death spells would be quite high rank due to their extreme effects relative to a very low mana cost. Seeing as ranks to spells can also go up with how long the spell's chant is, something like the death spells which are the condensed forms of long sentences in the ancient language would also be high level spells.
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Unfortunately , it does not work like that. As a rank spell is higher, mana cunsumption grow higher too (except for specifics Noble Phantasm like Vajra, but in this case we are talking about Miracles). In term of God Hand, Keep in mind that, behind this concept, hold the idea that "only the highest grade can harm him". In term of A-rank (the only one able to affect it), it's basically a magical high feat.
However, the twelve aren't like that? hey are not "high grade spell", just "tricks" to kill someone easily. It is not to cunfond with Ancient Language, that with a single word mobilise a lot of mana to do a spell. It's just imply to have the knowledge of what to affect, but in term of ranking, it is so low that a simplle protection is enough (Oromis made it quite clear). So in nasuverse-ranking term, they are low ranks. Like using a simple spell to create a ball of water? E-rank. Do it just in the brain? sprotch. But the fact is that in Eragon, where only someone like Oromis knows how the body works, it's deadly. Something that hold no meaning against a protection.
Also, considering any single magus (not counting servant) have actually some personal passif magic resistance (depending of their magic circuits, naturally), this method is unsuable for most of nasuverse's case, appart from someone like Shirou that has his circuits dysfunctioning.
Actually, the only one in nasuverse that do this sort of things is Li Shuwen, but he use Ki, which is an energy no one has defenses against (apart from conceptual armors like God Hand/KavachaXKundala/Armor of Fafnir). Heck, even medea is surprise Mind Influence would work in shirou, and it's considered very very low in nasuverse...
Basically, if I were to use a comparison, it's like "using acupuncture to kill someone, unusable if the opponent has even a coat", while God Hand can be said to be "the mithril armor that made only the best attacks pass through". Eragon would have the same problem facing Karna or Siegfred, as they are, basically, protections against all attacks. ('deny', in Herk's case, as the magic used couldn't even enter his body to influence it)
However, the twelve aren't like that? hey are not "high grade spell", just "tricks" to kill someone easily. It is not to cunfond with Ancient Language, that with a single word mobilise a lot of mana to do a spell. It's just imply to have the knowledge of what to affect, but in term of ranking, it is so low that a simplle protection is enough (Oromis made it quite clear). So in nasuverse-ranking term, they are low ranks. Like using a simple spell to create a ball of water? E-rank. Do it just in the brain? sprotch. But the fact is that in Eragon, where only someone like Oromis knows how the body works, it's deadly. Something that hold no meaning against a protection.
Also, considering any single magus (not counting servant) have actually some personal passif magic resistance (depending of their magic circuits, naturally), this method is unsuable for most of nasuverse's case, appart from someone like Shirou that has his circuits dysfunctioning.
Actually, the only one in nasuverse that do this sort of things is Li Shuwen, but he use Ki, which is an energy no one has defenses against (apart from conceptual armors like God Hand/KavachaXKundala/Armor of Fafnir). Heck, even medea is surprise Mind Influence would work in shirou, and it's considered very very low in nasuverse...
Basically, if I were to use a comparison, it's like "using acupuncture to kill someone, unusable if the opponent has even a coat", while God Hand can be said to be "the mithril armor that made only the best attacks pass through". Eragon would have the same problem facing Karna or Siegfred, as they are, basically, protections against all attacks. ('deny', in Herk's case, as the magic used couldn't even enter his body to influence it)
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That's, actually not true? It's outright pointed out some things have Ranks that are not quite indicative of their strength at times due to how they work - an example being causality turning Gae Bolg, which is way more efficient and actually powerful than thrown Gae Bolg, but tell me which has the higher rank?Monarch Laciel said:
Something similar, but not really, to Death Spells would be the hypnotic spells Mages can pull off easily, or Eyes of Bewitchment, which only need a quick look to get someone under an instantaneous mind control. They barely use energy, if they use energy at all, and are incredibly effective... but magic energy repels foreign magic energy, and even a mediocre mage can easily resist by virtue of having circuits.
A rank would be things like High Thaumaturgy, which the words of death don't fall under.
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